How slowly would you kill this man?

Terminate with extreme prejudice over a couple of weeks.

IMHO Hindenburg. If he gets sent down, I would give this man 6 months inside, TOPS before he is killed by inmates, there again he could ask for solid confinement, but even then, they can be got at.
Time will tell, what goes around comes around.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

horrible…..as i hope his life in prison will be..I knew someone that served time and they told what they did to inmates that had `interfered with children`… with the long bars of prison soap…Karma.

And that is problem with selective quoting (as I’ve done)

Simply complying with forum protocol regarding quotes.

Cant justify quoting a complete post when I am only talking about one part of it. The other parts of your posts I either agree with or could really care less about. So why would I want to repost it.

As for society thats everything that is wrong with modern society were are far too tolerant these days on far too many ways.But that doesnt mean I want to go off and kill lots of people does it.

To quote your statement Arthur.

I do not, however, believe in state sponsored murder something that most definitely is not on the side of common decency.

In giving this opinion it seems that you side with the murderer and in some sort of way what he did was decent. Of course I know you didnt mean that.

And that is problem with selective quoting (as I’ve done) 😮

This is sentence you didn’t quote.

Maybe you could point out in any of my posts where I said he should be forgiven. I never said any such thing.

Just to clarify from another post…

He, the criminal is the one that isn’t decent – the state should be.

My point is that society should never reduce itself to the level of the criminal.

Aah, but surely YOU are society?
Just as a Church is the people not the building.

Yes I am in Scottish or British society but not HIS society as in French society. That is what I typed in my reply.

I typed HIS SOCIETY as in French and that is what I meant.

No a Church is a building it is where the Church congregation come to meet.

I believe the church have orders to which they belong depending on your faith.

To quote your statement Arthur.

I do not, however, believe in state sponsored murder something that most definitely is not on the side of common decency.

In giving this opinion it seems that you side with the murderer and in some sort of way what he did was decent. Of course I know you didnt mean that. But in killing a child he gave up any rights to a decent life and as such he deseve non less than what he gave. An eye for an eye is the old bblical way of doing things and I think it is about the only thing that came from these stories that I would agree with.

I for one do not care if he lives. I think he should die but it doesnt matter what you or I think does it. It is not us who he is to be tried in front of is it.

And of course you already know that he will be sent to jail so you last comment is null and void.

Madame Guillotine should once more have her revenge once more.

Merlin,

Whilst I understand your sentiments, it’s not the practical way forward for all sorts of reasons. This person’s actions are clearly wrong to all of us here because of the standards layed down in life, with some instinct thrown in. In order for a society to judge the criminality and wrong-doing of an individual, that society has to remain above the actions of the individual.

Yes, that often means murderers get a life sentence and a telly, rather than the gallows, but in the long run it’s better for society as a whole, and for the legal process. As soon as death penalties and so forth get talked about, all sorts of things get turned on thier head and things can get very messy.

Just my tuppence worth…

Your tuppence worth is part of the thread!
Nowthen, I’m challenging myself here…..
If this man had put another man in the machine (OK big machine!) then (a) It probably wouldn’t be news and (b) I wouldn’t care less if he hung or jailed.
It is the murder of a 3 year old which makes this person lower than an animal . Mental health issues – I don’t really care about…if he had issues that bad, the kid should have been lifted by the French SS (Social Services).

You see PeeDee Arthur way well be a devout christian and forgiveness is part of the whole deal. But are you saying being a serious christian in its fullest meaning is not normal?

To be honest I dont think the guy deserves to breath a minute longer on this planet than he needs to but its not for me to decide what happens to him it his society that should choose.

I think he might not live long when he reaches jail anyhow.

Aah, but surely YOU are society?
Just as a Church is the people not the building.

Adler,

Not really going to go into the whole death sentance thing again as I have done this several times over and over on this forum some agree some dont and then we all just have to agree to disagree as it all gets a bit heated.

I am famous within these type of threads for speaking my mind on what should and should not happen. If I were a hangman I would sleep easy in my bed. Who might not sleep easy in their bed might be the judge or the jury. But I for one would indeed carry out the task in hand when dealing with these people. It starts to get messy when you cant draw distinction between what deserves the death sentance and what does not but clearly an adult killing a child is up there for being one crime that does deserve death. But again what are the circumstances maybe a child clearly is the spawn of satan and the poor parents were completely driven to take matters however misguided into their own hands. But in the long run a child is dead in dreadful circumstances and I hate to think of how he suffered before he died that day and long before probably. That is what is wrong with society and it doesnt really matter a hoot what we all think really does it now?

But robbing a 3 year old child of the rest of his life is decent??

The decent thing to do is rid the world of this evil once and for all. Arthur you are backing the wrong side here. People like this do not deserve to live and how can you even think he does deserve to live. What purpose can his life possibly serve now except for maybe putting him into some experimental project in which case I would let him live. Only as long as we knew he would suffer.

Huh? He, the criminal is the one that isn’t decent – the state should be. That is why state-sponsored murder should never be an option. That makes the state the equal of the criminal. Society is above the level of “an eye for an eye”. There have been far too many miscarriages of justice to allow a return of the death penalty.
As far as backing the wrong side, what do you think will happen – will he be executed or will he go to prison for life?

Merlin,

Whilst I understand your sentiments, it’s not the practical way forward for all sorts of reasons. This person’s actions are clearly wrong to all of us here because of the standards layed down in life, with some instinct thrown in. In order for a society to judge the criminality and wrong-doing of an individual, that society has to remain above the actions of the individual.

Yes, that often means murderers get a life sentence and a telly, rather than the gallows, but in the long run it’s better for society as a whole, and for the legal process. As soon as death penalties and so forth get talked about, all sorts of things get turned on thier head and things can get very messy.

Just my tuppence worth…

How slowly would you kill this man? I wouldn’t. That isn’t the way civilized states treat criminals.

Maybe its isnt but us Scots arent civilized anyhow and come to think of it neither are you English or Irish or the Welsh for that matter. We have all been killing each other for centuries. :diablo:

I do not, however, believe in state sponsored murder something that most definitely is not on the side of common decency.

But robbing a 3 year old child of the rest of his life is decent??

The decent thing to do is rid the world of this evil once and for all. Arthur you are backing the wrong side here. People like this do not deserve to live and how can you even think he does deserve to live. What purpose can his life possibly serve now except for maybe putting him into some experimental project in which case I would let him live. Only as long as we knew he would suffer.

Ok, I wasn’t going to comment, but you’ve all dragged me into the discussion for better or worse. Here goes…

The fact here is that we don’t know all the facts about what went on, details of the people involved and so on. It’s very difficult to make any kind of informed comment based on a news article. The basic facts as stated are indeed terrible, but I think that’s all we should say for now.

There are many reasons why people commit crimes or inflict cruelty on others, and many of these cases turn out to involve people with mental health problems, learning difficulties etc. Passing judgement just isn’t our place, and starting a thread by asking just how nasty you could be to another nasty person is hardly the kind of thing that lifts humanity into decency. I feel terrible about this incident, but it’s important for the sake of all and sundry that we remain human and decent, especially in a case like this where we have so few facts.

“Apparently” normal.
Well Arthur, I would find it very odd for anybody that would forgive such an individual. In this case, forgiveness is not normal.

You see PeeDee Arthur way well be a devout christian and forgiveness is part of the whole deal. But are you saying being a serious christian in its fullest meaning is not normal?

To be honest I dont think the guy deserves to breath a minute longer on this planet than he needs to but its not for me to decide what happens to him it his society that should choose.

I think he might not live long when he reaches jail anyhow.

Where are the sarcastic replies?
Do I do not have the right to say what I think as well? I think that suggestions of punishment and torture are frankly rather worrying from allegedly normal people.

To answer the original post before the thread is hijacked by off-thread trivia and “humour”

How slowly would you kill this man? I wouldn’t. That isn’t the way civilized states treat criminals.

Exactly, and not the place or the need for sarcastic replies, to me or other members.I imagine the way PeeDee stated his question received the replies he was expecting.If there had been any “Nice way” of dealing with this man, I have yet to hear them from any members as yet.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

@PeeDee

The video is quite jokey, but the aircraft itself is a genuine aircraft by Dassault systems. BAE have produced similar systems. I’d guess the people at the RC shows are more capable at flying that type of RC aircraft than Dassault’s pilots are, since the latter are obviously more used to full sized aircraft.

Hi, fully aware of all BAE products, even the ones still waiting funding 😉
But I would have thought Dassault could come with something a little more revolutionary than that. Mind you, I havnee seen the spec. does it do something really special?

“Apparently” normal.
Well Arthur, I would find it very odd for anybody that would forgive such an individual. In this case, forgiveness is not normal.
The revenge feelings are also normal, as I indeed titled the thread.
As a civilised people we need to examine if this individual deserves to continue breathing. This is apparently a thought process which sets us above the animal kingdom.
I am in the camp that puts us back to common decency, improving the gene pool and killing him. OK, not necesarily slowly, that is just part of the heated debate.

Maybe you could point out in any of my posts where I said he should be forgiven. I never said any such thing. I do not, however, believe in state sponsored murder something that most definitely is not on the side of common decency.

I appreciate your efforts to debate the point though rather than the infantile posts of others. They have, in fact gone a long way to prove what I said originally. Such posts in thread about such a tragic event are frankly disgusting.

Absolutely NOT, but Arthur, unlike you, I don’t pull other members replies to pieces, which seems to be your forte on the Forum.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Er… this is a discussion forum isn’t it?