P.C.2!!!!

As everybody bar the thoughtless few know this thread has reached the end of the line.

Please do not open a PC3 thread, nor anything similar designed to circumvent that request.

Moggy
Moderator

It called me away from here even earlier!;)

I think the thread is done.

I really think the forum is done.

And all because of a truly mindless minority who believe that the CoC does not apply to them. This is not a democracy, it really is Key’s private fiefdom. They set the rules and boundaries, as is their right. We have two choices here….

1. Go along with the rules set by Key who provide this facility free of charge.

Or

2. Continue to ride roughshod over anything the Moderators say and ignore all of Key’s rules and see the forum closed permanently.

Sadly, my money is on the mindless minority. And the ones who will most feel the closure? The ones who are causing it.

Must dash, real life is calling me.

Regards,

kev35

I’ve a feeling that we are heading for another locked thread, you’re not listening to advice that has been given by Mods, AP and Kev35.

You have to remember that when you write a post late at night, the kids are all tucked up in bed, however, it is still there the following afternoon when they come home from school.

my quick wit often upsets folks

I’m not surprised.:rolleyes:

I like GD.

More than ever, it needs to be protected from extinction.

Just my thoughts

Baz

Jim

Just a simple case of ear wigging into anothers conversation I suspect and a misinterpretation of the subject.

It is quite a funny one though.

Linc, I am all for a quality discussion on what PC is and the relevance of it to everyday life. But this thread and the one before have reached new heights (depths) of pointlessness and wanderings as Three Spools so effectively pointed out.

I can see no point to it, I can see no interest in it, and yet I have to read every post.

That’s not bitterness Linc, it is just annoyance. I have better things to do with the finite stock of days remaining to me.

Hence I’m off to look at another aeroplane tomorrow 🙂

Moggy

Moggy, Yes, I know what your thinking, re Quotes, but…………Thanks for having the decencey of replying to my post. The PC1 got a bit out of hand, simply because PC correctness has so many different guises.
There are some who are damned brilliant when it comes to picking holes in anothers Posts, but in essence contribute very little if anything on the forum.
I don’t for one minute envy your job and yes, there must be times when it gets boring to you, having to read all the bumph, and in a way I admire you for taking on the job for no recompence whatsoever, however Moggs, what you have on the forums, are academics who can string several words together and make a book of them, I have seen folks whoes spelling, and education have been mocked on here also.But all have one thing in common, a genuine interest in aviation and related subjects.
I have yet to see any Posts on this forum that has never drifted off topic, and doubt I ever will. In a perfect world Moggy, we wouldn’t need Moderators, but it’s not perfect, and neither are we. We will have to see what PC 2 brings.not too much if any trouble I hope.
Thanks again.for replying.And have a safe flight tomorrow.;)

Jim

Lincoln .7

About to make myself deeply unpopular here, but perhaps it’s not the forum that needs a rest? Just maybe it’s one or two of the contributors who, quite frankly, are only contributing to the demise of the General Discussion forum. Perhaps it’s not cetain threads per se which go downhill, just threads which certain people start or contribute to.

We’re all guilty, to a certain extent, of parking our common sense at the door when we get involved in internet discussions. Things are said which we would never dream of when speaking face to face simply because of the anonymity factor. Forget PC, to some extent we shouldn’t need a Code of conduct IF we extend each other some respect, some courtesy and what most of our parents would have simply called manners.

If GD goes, it goes. Certain aspects and the odd thread will be missed, but the burden on volunteer moderators will be greatly reduced. The other thing that most of us forget from time to time is that this playground is provided free of charge by Key. Whilst Historic, Commercial, General Aviation and Military forums are all representative of Key’s specific areas of interest, the GD forum is an odd on, and one in which, much of the time, they can take little pride.

The answer? Only Key can decide, but here’s a few options.

1. Enforce the CoC much more rigidly.

2. Recruit more moderators (if you can find them) to police GD.

3. Ensure that sanctions are effective and not easily avoided by rejoining with a new identity.

4. Lock and/or delete threads as soon as they cross whichever line is drawn by Key.

5. Scrap GD altogether. It would be no reflection on Key to do this. The moderators have been pushed hard (and I admit to doing my share of pushing.)

Just a few thoughts.

Regards,

kev35

I’m not sure I understand the problem. If there are those who repeatedly post off-thread nonsense and fail to keep to the rules, why aren’t they given a little rest from the forum for a week or two? Closing GD would seem to me to be a classic case of punishing everyone for the sake of a few miscreants.

Fair play to Merlin3945 who keeps trying to post on-topic stuff while all around him talk about the forum in general.

Historic Aviation

36,450 473,158

Modern Military Aviation

18,600 542,226

Commercial Aviation

27,280 283,077

General Aviation

2,385 19,586

General Discussion

7,570 148,165

Interesting how it compares with the three main forums in terms of threads and visits. I wouldn’t miss it that much and I contribute a lot to it. I enjoy the aviation forums very much even though I contribute less. Perhaps it just needs a rest – or we do!!;):)

I wouldnt have thought you would have to read every thread.

Think again 😎

You’d be amazed how often spammers try and slip stuff into the middle of threads. Few of you realise this as they disappear quite promptly, otherwise links to sites loaded with viruses, porn and medications would be a lot more commonplace.

and possibly the moderators will vote to keep GD

I am genuinely undecided, but the ‘safety valve’ effect has to be balanced against the fact it involves more work / time for us than anything other than the constant indo/pak flaming and baiting on mod mil.

Moggy

Why not start a thread called: The drival thread

We’ve got one of those, it’s called the trash bin 😉

Now Moggy you have got the start of a really good dicussion there.

So Political correctness has no place in law as it stands at the moment.

Obviously the racial card does have some laws attached as it can be abusive and in general is not accepted. Sexual harrasment is another issue male or female that has a place in law. Obviously I think in general its the harrasment part that really means the most as any type of harrasment is not nice.

So if someone comes and say to me you cant do this or that because it is no longer politically correct then basically I can tell them to ****** off unless I am actually breaking a law by doing what I am doing.

As for an off topic discussion.

Moggy surely a moderator only needs to read a thread if they have an interest in the thread. Or a complaint has been issued. Or you are watching the thread to see if it gets out of control or not.

I wouldnt have thought you would have to read every thread.

And another off topic point about the GD forum.

I wouldnt be that sad to see it go but it would cause a lot more off topic talk on the main forums. I think this was the reason GD was introduced in the first case. Personally as long as I can come here and share my thoughts, views and interest about aircraft I am happy enough. I can chat generally practically anywhere although not all forum have people of the same interest in them which is why having a GD forum here is so important.

Anyhow I am sure the bods at flypast and possibly the moderators will vote to keep GD as it does serve a purpose but possibly needs some rule changes.

There will always be those who spoil it for the rest of us.

Why not start a thread called: The drival thread

This would be a sort of place the Mods could throw (merge) consistent ‘off topic threads’ (like this one)without totally losing them, some members can ramble on (again) off topic without fear of recrimination from other members or mods.

All drival can be kept in one place, like a sin bin of rubbish, that could be more easily monitored by the gods and we (mere mortals) get the message when a thread dissappears off the forum and into the ‘drival thread’.

It would keep all the problem threads in one place, making it easier for a moderator to monitor.

Baz

kev35 described GD as a “Bear pit” at times, it about sums it up but generally IMHO the whole forum has suffered a bit in the past few months with some “sad” episodes.

How else can you dress up “if the drivel doesn’t stop then GD might close” as anything else but a threat? It can’t be done because I guess that is exactly what it is.

If GD is closed, I’ll be sorry to see it go but it’s no big deal. It’s an internet forum – that’s all. I’ll go elsewhere (as I do already anyway). Years ago airliners.net had similar problems with their off-topic forum and it was closed for a while. It returned but only after some fairly strict rules about posting were introduced. It is still around today.

But why does the statement about the future of GD come across like punishment or a threat?

And yes, as mentioned before, the whole future of GD is under debate.

Moggy

I’d be sorry to see it go,though I’ve always seen it as the area of the forum where the social-only members sit drinking,smoking and chatting up the women,while the important stuff happens elsewhere.
As someone with only a tenuous hold here ( I like flying-boats – that’s it ),over the past couple of years I’ve been entertained,infuriated and found support and virtual friendship.

That’s me out of this thread,because it seems that anything regarding political correctness turns nasty eventually.

….. but rather than prune the thread of irrelevance, it was locked.

Pruning a thread is time consuming.

Locking a thread is simple.

We have lost the key moderator who used to supervise GD

You will see a lot more locking and deleting, a lot less careful tidying.

And yes, as mentioned before, the whole future of GD is under debate.

Moggy

I sense that unless the GD threads are debated responsibly and relevantly decisions might be considered about its future.

The last thread was locked because of appalling thread drift and some posters that failed to obey simple rules. It had the makings of a decent discussion but rather than prune the thread of irrelevance, it was locked. It’s the main reason I haven’t bothered with this one. It is likely to go the same way – probably with the same culprits as well.