'Run' – Snow Patrol vs. Leona Lewis!

When I clicked the second link no video seemed to come up for some reason, unless it’s just my connection being rubbish!

Paul

Probably your connection, but when I checked it, it went directly to Ruth’s website, not the music vid.
It’s viewable here, but IMO isn’t as good as the live performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_IdINj_N4

Might be worth remembering it made a million quidlets for the poppy appeal.

Some of us have good taste in music, Paul, good choices!;)

While not my favourite song, I love this performer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJxICUIbCY

I might have to apologise for including this one, but my taste in music varies from classical, big band to trad jazz and almost everything else, punk being one exception.
http://www.ruthlorenzo.es/theresortswebsite/index.html

Not by accident, it’s on the Ruth Lorenzo website, another lady who can expect to enjoy a career in the industry.

Ahhh yes, Annie Lennox. I’ve always considered her to be a very high class performer and writer. A fine choice!

When I clicked the second link no video seemed to come up for some reason, unless it’s just my connection being rubbish!

Paul

Some of us have good taste in music, Paul, good choices!;)

While not my favourite song, I love this performer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILJxICUIbCY

I might have to apologise for including this one, but my taste in music varies from classical, big band to trad jazz and almost everything else, punk being one exception.
http://www.ruthlorenzo.es/theresortswebsite/index.html

Not by accident, it’s on the Ruth Lorenzo website, another lady who can expect to enjoy a career in the industry.

Just a quick link to two videos I found this evening that sum up the essense of what to me is a beautiful, expressive performance with soul and emotion so deep it’s untrue. I’ve tried to explain the things I don’t like about Leona Lewis (although hopefully some things I do like as well). But this, for me, is musical perfection. Everything I truely and deeply love in music is right here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW97ydJo1zo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hBeykKAXaw

🙂

Paul

Addition…

Actually, also this, for almost completely different reasons!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x_7h4h6gbM

You’re confusing a contradiction with an opinion…although I wouldn’t go quite so far as to say “utter dirge”.:)

Fair point. I think it was the last bit of his comment that made me think he was contradicting himself, but like you said, each to their own.:)

Personally, I feel you have contradicted yourself here…Leona Lewis = soulless?…:confused:

You’re confusing a contradiction with an opinion! He’s expressing an opinion and doesn’t contradict himself in any way. Frankly, it’s an opinion I agree with as I’ve already said, although I wouldn’t go quite so far as to say “utter dirge”. Each to their own, though! 🙂

Paul

wrong, as it happens i did happen to be subjected to it..wasnt that impressed to be honest mate

Queue the stream of posts saying they dislike Leona/X Factor in general and that this thread is a waste of time 😉

I had a fear that might happen symon, and judging by some of the responses posted it clearly shows, which is a bit of shame really, but I suppose I did ask for people’s individual opinion, so I kind of had it coming really…I wanted to put a poll on the thread, but that option seems of disappeared for some reason?

I think Leona’s version is the same as Snow patrols…..utter dirge soulless music IMHO:):p

Personally, I feel you have contradicted yourself here…Leona Lewis = soulless?…:confused:

They auditioned to be put on a second-rate TV talent show, and were guaranteed, one way or another, a bit of exposure.

Do bear in mind though Daz that for some people auditioning to be put on a so called ‘second-rate TV talent show’ as you suggest is often the only way that feel they can achieve their dreams of stardom. Of course, there are those that simply apply and audition just for their five minutes of fame/exposure and that really have no talent whatsoever, but once you get to the final knock-out stages of a competition such as X-Factor, then the ‘candidates’ (sorry, couldnt think of a better word to use!:o) do put themselves through an awful lot of hard work/effort in order to be kept on to the next week…they don’t spend the rest of the week at home and then just rock-up on a Saturday night and perform the songs.

In my opinion, for those people that have the deepest commitment, desire and determination and work hard in order to achieve a successful career from it, good luck and congratulations to them!

I think all these bands/artists that come from competition type tv shows dont really have the emotional imput…

I take it that you missed the X-Factor final on Saturday? I am sure if you saw Alexandra’s performance with Beyonce, your opinion might be somewhat different.;)

Tough choice as I actually don’t mind either version, although Leona Lewis’ left more of an impression of me. Snow Patrol’s version, despite being a great band, is a little more downbeat and whilst it fits in with the album, in a straight comparison I just prefer Leona’s song.

Leona Lewis

You’re probably right, expressing an opinion here can lead to official warnings.:(

Ah, well that depends how the opinions are put across. 😉

I don’t disagree, by the way. I just thought the thread needed an injection of silliness! 🙂

Paul

I disagree. :dev2::diablo:

😀

Paul

You’re probably right, expressing an opinion here can lead to official warnings.:(

Having an opinion is healthy.

I disagree. :dev2::diablo:

😀

Paul

Having an opinion is healthy.

I’m sure that all the above worked hard, but some of the lucky ones just don’t have to, thanks to talent spotting and shows like Opportunity Knocks.

Frankly if people have enough natural talent to not ‘train’ as such, then they get lucky and make it, good on them. They should be congratulated, not criticised.

That said, if someone with hardly any talent makes it then that’s a little different, although we’re getting back into the realms of opinion there. 😉

Paul

Joglo,

I can see your point here. Looking back at what it was like in the early – mid 70s groups like Genesis, ELP and Queen hardly got the airplay that would pushed them straight into the charts.

I feel would have been a great deal more work than appearing on “Britain’s got Talent!” and the rest. No doubt a singer has to train his voice…………………..

Pete

Let’s go back to the 50s or 60s to see how many trained voices were around on the pop scene.
Very few is the most likely answer.
How many of the following had/have trained voices?
Sir Cliff, Elvis, Jagger, Eric Burdon, Ray Davies, Alvin Stardust, Eddie Cochran, Little Richard, Johnny Cash, Connie Francis, Peggy Lee, Alma Cogan, Patsy Kline, Shirley Bassey, Jerry Lee Lewis, Adam Faith, Andy Williams, Everly bros, Roy Orbison, Gene Vincent, Billy Fury, Buddy Holly………. I could go on for hours.

I’m well aware how important natural ability is, be it in music, photography or anything artistic, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have to work to develop your skills.

Paul

I’m sure that all the above worked hard, but some of the lucky ones just don’t have to, thanks to talent spotting and shows like Opportunity Knocks.

Who remembers, Jane Horrocks????
Was she trained to sing in the voices of so many different artists, doubtful.

I think you might have overlooked the possibility that some people are natural singers, while others have to work harder to make it in the biz, especially instrumentalists?

I didn’t overlook it, I just didn’t mention it because I assumed I’d be stating the obvious if I did. I’m well aware how important natural ability is, be it in music, photography or anything artistic, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have to work to develop your skills. Natural ability also shows itself in many ways. Some people have perfect pitch but have no real emotion when they perform; some go flat or sharp throughout an entire performance but can move you to tears by singing four words. The really talented people have both. Again, the same applies to anything artistic.

Paul

Joglo,

I can see your point here. Looking back at what it was like in the early – mid 70s groups like Genesis, ELP and Queen hardly got the airplay that would pushed them straight into the charts. They acchieved recognition by constant touring up and down the country and also overseas which I feel would have been a great deal more work than appearing on “Britain’s got Talent!” and the rest. No doubt a singer has to train his voice but musicians have to do that on their instruments also. I would consider groups like ColdPlay and Snow Patrol also as groups that needed to go on tour to be recognised. If these groups are particularly good and also very lucky then the media will pick up on it sooner or later and the public will too. The artists make themselves known to the general public by their own efforts, i.e. constant touring which I think involves great deal more work (in addition to learning their business) than is required by some folks today.

Pete

However sterile the performance may be to some of us, do you honestly think you get a voice like Leona Lewis’ without working for it?

I’d like to answer that, because I don’t believe a voice is something that one ‘works’ to get, one either has one or not, although improving it is another story.

Paul Potts is a good case to cite as an example, he had an untrained, natural voice to begin with, that may not be to everyone’s taste, but…………….

From my personal point of view, it’s taken me thousands and thousands of hours of serious work over the last 16 or so years to get to where I am now as a sound engineer and as a musician, and because of that I’ve been able to mix and play some pretty serious shows in theatres, arenas, stadiums and festivals all over Europe in the last few years, but it’s taken a hell of a lot of effort, dedication and frustration to get me to a level where I can do so. People generally don’t walk off the streets into a show like X Factor, win it, then go into a studio and record a successful album without having put in one hell of a lot of work beforehand. I genuinely don’t intend this next line to come across as patronising in any way, but if you played an instrument or were involved in music production to any serious degree your opinions would probably be somewhat different.

Paul

I think you might have overlooked the possibility that some people are natural singers, while others have to work harder to make it in the biz, especially instrumentalists?

No, I’m not saying that there’s not a lot of hard work done by these people before they try out for the X Factor. I was trying to make out that for the people who get onto the show (regardless of how far they get in the proceedings) it’s like a fast-track to stardom – why bother spending years doing what others have done, when a stint on a TV show will grant you some degree of fame?

I do understand what you mean, but in all truth it can happen in exactly the same way if your band happens to get noticed by a random record company person. If they think they can make money out of you, they’ll get you into a studio and get the product out there as quickly as possible. Music is a business after all, although at times I really wish it weren’t!

Paul