The BNP list

There would be no discussions of such, erm……..”music” at that club.
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Well if I was the DJ, I’d probably do a neat segue between ‘Stereotype’ by The Specials’ and ‘If I Were A Rich Man’…. Bound to go down a treat. :p

I suspect they (the minorities) feel victimised because they HAVE been victimised for a long, long time. The ‘white British’ culture has been guilty of that kind of behaviour for centuries.
In this day and age if the ‘white briton’ feels marginalised then there’s absolutely no reason why they shouldn’t form a “Morris dancing society”. And If that’s representative and indicative of British culture then a break uf of GB couldn’t come sooner…:eek::D

There would be no discussions of such, erm……..”music” at that club.

Not just the Brits., western white and Australia. In fact the white Ausies treat the aboriginal owners of their country with absolute contempt.

Anyway, the vast majority of outright widespread racism stopped in the 80’s IMO. Pockets of it still exist of course, but fewer and fewer. Most race riots are now Black versus Asian on the drug rights.

The minorities can set up such organisations because they see themselves as victimised, but the very nature of the isolationism brings about the victimisation IMO.

I suspect they (the minorities) feel victimised because they HAVE been victimised for a long, long time. The ‘white British’ culture has been guilty of that kind of behaviour for centuries.

In this day and age if the ‘white briton’ feels marginalised then there’s absolutely no reason why they shouldn’t form a “Morris dancing society”. And If that’s representative and indicative of British culture then a break uf of GB couldn’t come sooner…:eek::D

I stand corrected on the National Black Police Officers Association point about membership. However as an organisation they stand up for the interests of only black police officers. Now, I respect all blacks who are law abiding and live in this country but I don’t think I would want to join an organisation like the national Black Police Officers Association, after all, what would they do for me?

Exactly! That was my point in the first place.

If the white Police officers tried to set up such a club they would be thrown out of the force and probably taken to Court. So, why don’t they set up a club such as the “National Police Force Morris Dancing, Gilbert and Sullivan and Light Opera appreciation society”
That aint cool enough for the vast majority of the Bro!
Well, it’s what some other organisations do to get round the laws, should they wish.

The minorities can set up such organisations because they see themselves as victimised, but the very nature of the isolationism brings about the victimisation IMO.

OK then Grey Area let’s look at some British organisations that have similar membership criteria to the BNP but are never called racist.

National Black Police Association – only blacks allowed RACIST!!!
Action Group For Irish Youth (London) – what about the Pakistani youth, Indian youth, Chinese youth so on so forth.
Federation of Black Housing Organisations (FBHO) – If I started the Federation of White Working Class Housing Organisations you would call me racist.
National Association of Nigerian Communities – no one cares about the Polish community, the Ghanean community, the Angolan community, the Zimbabwean community.

Most of these organisations are inclusive, whereas the BNP have traditionally been exclusive and inherently racist. I’m not sure how many Poles would enjoy a Nigerian Community night out, but I’m sure they’d be made to feel welcome and ‘included’…

I stand corrected on the National Black Police Officers Association point about membership. However as an organisation they stand up for the interests of only black police officers. Now, I respect all blacks who are law abiding and live in this country but I don’t think I would want to join an organisation like the national Black Police Officers Association, after all, what would they do for me?

From the National Black Police Association website:

The highlighting is mine.

Time and again I see this type of thing on this forum – arguments do stand up better when they are built on more solid foundations

The chair of the Black Police assoc. was on Radio 4 some weeks back (Saturday morning). He stated that there was no barrier to membership, but if you are not black or asian etc. then you don’t get on the C’tee and you don’t get a vote.

I notice the Masons are keeping quiet on this thread.
(I’ll get me coat)

OK then Grey Area let’s look at some British organisations that have similar membership criteria to the BNP but are never called racist.

National Black Police Association – only blacks allowed RACIST!!!

From the National Black Police Association website:

The definition of “Black” does not refer to skin colour.
The emphasis is on the common experience and determination of the people of African, African-Caribbean and Asian origin to oppose the effects of racism. Everyone within policing is eligible to join the NBPA (There is no barrier to membership)

The highlighting is mine.

Time and again I see this type of thing on this forum – arguments do stand up better when they are built on more solid foundations

I belong to a Nuclear Weapons Research and Sales group.

Maybe I should be banned from Earth!

OK then Grey Area let’s look at some British organisations that have similar membership criteria to the BNP but are never called racist.

National Black Police Association – only blacks allowed RACIST!!!
Action Group For Irish Youth (London) – what about the Pakistani youth, Indian youth, Chinese youth so on so forth.
Federation of Black Housing Organisations (FBHO) – If I started the Federation of White Working Class Housing Organisations you would call me racist.
National Association of Nigerian Communities – no one cares about the Polish community, the Ghanean community, the Angolan community, the Zimbabwean community.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

OK then Grey Area let’s look at some British organisations that have similar membership criteria to the BNP but are never called racist.

National Black Police Association – only blacks allowed RACIST!!!
Action Group For Irish Youth (London) – what about the Pakistani youth, Indian youth, Chinese youth so on so forth.
Federation of Black Housing Organisations (FBHO) – If I started the Federation of White Working Class Housing Organisations you would call me racist.
National Association of Nigerian Communities – no one cares about the Polish community, the Ghanean community, the Angolan community, the Zimbabwean community.

The BNP may well restrict membership to only white British people but they are not necessarily a racist party.

That’s rather like being ‘a little bit pregnant’, isn’t it? 😎

Grey Area,

I don’t really see the point you are making in your post where you disregard all the analogies. The BNP may well restrict membership to only white British people but they are not necessarily a racist party. The leader of the BNP Nick Griffin has made it quite clear that since he took over leadership of the party many of the more radical individuals within the party have been asked to leave. The BNP DO NOT hate the immigrants but immigration policy. They believe that too many Eastern European immigrants have been allowed into the UK and that the flow must stop. This is a view that is shared by some Polish people I have met, they have told me that if there were as many British people in Poland as there are Poles in Britain they would be miffed. They do not hate the Poles that have come to Britain but the politicians in the EU that have allowed them to come here with no restrictions. Same with non EU immigrants, they think that the politicians are to blame for letting so many in not the immigrants themselves.

I seem to remember watching a speech Nick Griffin made in Norwich about a year ago talking about the many Poles that have made it to Britain. He said that if he found out that he could make 4 times his salary for doing the same job he does here, in Panama or any other country and he could go into Panama without restriction, he would not hang around in the UK!!

…Ban the BNP, even though it’s legal, but not a nice, friendly organisation and deny anyone their job if they belong to it….

Nice emotive rant there,spoiled only by the fact that no-one in authority is actually proposing to ban the BNP. But you already knew that.

Now, there are people who would like us to believe that BNP members are martyrs who are being oppressed for their beliefs, but the FACT is that the only people who are actually barred from belonging to the BNP are serving policemen and prison officers. Anyone from these groups who joins the BNP is knowingly in breach of their terms of employment.

Sacking any other employee for their political beliefs alone is a sure-fire recipe for a very expensive day out at an Employment Tribunal, and so it should be.

For my part, I happen to think that everyone should be free to join whatever organisations they choose so long as in doing so they remain within the law of the land and carry out their work in a manner that is consistent with the standards and conditions set by their employers.

This is a false analogy.
The Roman Catholic Church does not have a rule that insists that all of its millions of members must be child abusers, whereas the BNP does restrict its membership to people of a certain ethnic origin, and does campaign to restrict and diminish the rights and liberties of people of other ethnicities.

I can’t believe I’m actually defending the BNP, but I don’t think the BNP does or would legally be able to restrict it’s membership to any ethnic group, had a quick look at their website, couldn’t see anything along those lines, stand to be corrected though :rolleyes:

OK, I’ve had a bit of a look round t’internet and you’re right and I’m wrong, bunch of racists, BNP should be banned.

So do what the British do best now, allow immigration from all corners of the world to overload a country with already overstretched resources.
Pay them benefits while they look for jobs that a million or more indigenous Brits are seeking.
Allow them the freedom and rights that go with living in the UK.

Ban the BNP, even though it’s legal, but not a nice, friendly organisation and deny anyone their job if they belong to it.

And no, I’m not a BNP supporter, in fact I’m a lifelong Conservative, but I’m watching the country of my birth going down the pan and it’s not a pretty sight.

I believe I abandoned ship at the right time, i.e., well before ZanuLabor were voted into power.

So, would it be OK to dismiss the following groups of people from their jobs on the grounds of opinions, political affiliations or beliefs?

Many Catholic priests have been found guilty of child abuse, so is it time to ban all Catholics from working with children?

This is a false analogy.
The Roman Catholic Church does not have a rule that insists that all of its millions of members must be child abusers, whereas the BNP does restrict its membership to people of a certain ethnic origin, and does campaign to restrict and diminish the rights and liberties of people of other ethnicities.

On 7th July 2005, a member of terrorist-loving Amnesty International blew up a London Underground train and killed many people in the process, so should all members of Amnesty International be sacked?

This, too, is a false analogy.
Amnesty International does not have a rule that insists that all of its thousands of members must be terrorists, whereas the BNP does restrict its membership to people of a certain ethnic origin, and does campaign to restrict and diminish the rights and liberties of people of other ethnicities.

The Green Party believe that more help and support should go to criminals rather than victims of crime, so it’s obviously time to sack every one of them because of this.

This is based on your own personal prejudice and is, therefore, not a valid comparison. Why should anyone else be penalised on the basis of your prejudices?

The Communists have killed tens of millions of people in countries where their regime is the ruling one, so we should sack all Communists from their jobs.

Presumably you’ve never heard of Senator Joseph McCarthy?

An SNP councillor was filmed firing an assault rifle (or a machine gun) in Pakistan, you’ve got to question what kind of people are in the SNP. Sack them all, yes or no?

Another false analogy.
The SNP does not have a rule that insists that all of its thousands of members must fire assault rifles in Pakistan, whereas the BNP does restrict its membership to people of a certain ethnic origin, and does campaign to restrict and diminish the rights and liberties of people of other ethnicities.

The Labour Party are giving more and more control of our country to foreigners in Brussels, so it’s time to sack each and every member of the Labour Party from their job.

The Conservatives took us into the EU, sack the lot of them!

The Lib Dems support the EU, get them out of their jobs!

These, again, are based on your own personal prejudice and are, therefore, not valid comparisons. Once again, why should anyone else be penalised on the basis of your prejudices?

A group of Muslims threatened to blow up 10 transAtlantic airliners in the name of Islam, so should we stop all Muslims from boarding flights to and from our country?

I seem to recall you calling for almost exactly that not so long ago. That doesn’t exactly strengthen your argument.

Sinn Fein is the political wing of a terrorist organisation which has killed many innocent civilians, including children, so all their members should be removed from their jobs.

Maybe so, but if that is the case, then the same should happen to members of political parties that have links with Unionist paramilitaries. Fair’s fair.

The UAF (Unite Against Fascism) has supported calls for violence against the members of a legal political party so we should sack them all and throw them in jail.

Presumably you would be equally determined to see the owners of, and contributors to, the ‘Redwatch’ website treated in the same fashion?

(For the benefit of anyone who isn’t familiar with it, ‘Redwatch’ publishes pictures, address details, etc, of members of legal political parties on the left of the political spectrum and encourages acts of violence against them. Not nice.)

However superb the post is Jose, there is no requirement to quote the entire thing when it is directly above your post, if at all. – Moggy

Superb post, Comet!
You forgot Christians, they’ve been guilty of a few past cimes against humanity, so they should go too!

And a few others, no doubt.

It’s obvious that Belgian beer reaches the parts that even Heineken doesn’t!

I apologise to whom it may concern for copying all of the last post, but I felt it deserved a second viewing.

José

IMHO, people who hold views like the BNP should not be encouraged, because I think they hold potentially dangerous opinions. To compare, is it OK to harbour thoughts of paedophilia as long as you don’t bring them into the work place ?

I take your point in principle, but I find it hard to afford the BNP their ‘democratic rights’ when their ultimate agenda isn’t the least bit democratic.

So, would it be OK to dismiss the following groups of people from their jobs on the grounds of opinions, political affiliations or beliefs?

Many Catholic priests have been found guilty of child abuse, so is it time to ban all Catholics from working with children?

On 7th July 2005, a member of terrorist-loving Amnesty International blew up a London Underground train and killed many people in the process, so should all members of Amnesty International be sacked?

The Green Party believe that more help and support should go to criminals rather than victims of crime, so it’s obviously time to sack every one of them because of this.

The Communists have killed tens of millions of people in countries where their regime is the ruling one, so we should sack all Communists from their jobs.

An SNP councillor was filmed firing an assault rifle (or a machine gun) in Pakistan, you’ve got to question what kind of people are in the SNP. Sack them all, yes or no?

The Labour Party are giving more and more control of our country to foreigners in Brussels, so it’s time to sack each and every member of the Labour Party from their job.

The Conservatives took us into the EU, sack the lot of them!

The Lib Dems support the EU, get them out of their jobs!

A group of Muslims threatened to blow up 10 transAtlantic airliners in the name of Islam, so should we stop all Muslims from boarding flights to and from our country?

Sinn Fein is the political wing of a terrorist organisation which has killed many innocent civilians, including children, so all their members should be removed from their jobs.

The UAF (Unite Against Fascism) has supported calls for violence against the members of a legal political party so we should sack them all and throw them in jail.

And who are the real fascists….?

They’ll be the ones who really, truly, believe that the colour of their skin, and that factor alone, makes them inherently superior to all those whose skins are of a different colour.

They’ll be the ones who bleat loudest and longest about their own human rights, while at the same time campaigning to deny others those same basic rights.

They’ll be the ones who blindly worship a romantic ideal of nation and race that has never existed, and never will.

They’ll be the ones who preach to the rest of us about democracy, while all the time longing for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader.

They’ll be ones who favour severe economic and social regimentation and the forcible and ruthless suppression of all opposition, yet still have the sheer gall to call it ‘freedom’.

They’ll be the real fascists, Louise.