Afghan disgrace

You mean the belief or idea that it is OK to underfund and ruin excellent U.K. military forces? I agree. It has been going on for years, and not much has been able to stop it.

No that is not what i meant..

Why is it that ” Civilised ” civilisations cannot get it into their mind set that you cant defeat an idea or a belief?

The Vietcong

The Palestinians

The ANC

The Milorg

Cant they learn from history?

Amongst many many others their belief in what they fought for lived/lives on despite , in most of these cases ,the attention of some of the strongest Military powers in the world.

and still the UK goes on skipping along at the end of GW’s leash……

and it gets worse………….Newsnight BBC2 25/10/06

fascinating report from David Loyn on the REAL situation in Afganistan….

Afgan Army taking “tolls ” to allow traffic to pass..

Taliban destroying supply convoys at will…

Taliban in real control…

Women and children killed by NATO forces….

Its on now if you want to see for yourself…

Ok ..you end up with the ultimate Military in the world…So what?

doesn’t really address my point..its hard if not impossible to defeat a belief or an idea.

You mean the belief or idea that it is OK to underfund and ruin excellent U.K. military forces? I agree. It has been going on for years, and not much has been able to stop it.

I’m not really big on the mission in Afghanistan but if it is going to be done, as mentioned here in this thread already… lets do it right.
Unfortunately doing things on the cheap for the MOD is nothing new. The old timers on this forum have seen this go on for years and years. The mission of the hacks at MOD/Politicos is to cut things. What effect that has on a fine military is of no consequence to them.

Until such time as this country is threatened. Then they’ll be wringing their hands and asking why we don’t have enough troops.

At last someone in the US admin has woken up to their errors…Arrogance and stupidity? mild words for what they have done…

Can the same be said for the UK’s involvement in this ” War on Terror ” ?

i didnt mean get rid of them altogether just the useless ones that earn too much

A lost cause..

politicians are the root cause of most of our problems – there has never been a cut back on them, about time we started.

Problem is without politicians, who would run the country. This world is a complete mess, always was and always will be. You have to admit we have seen the best of it over the last 40 years, and now we will see the worst of it. I have given up worrying about it now, there is no easy answer to the worlds ills. Only a drastic fall in the worlds population, will restore sanity. New generations come along, who fall into the old traps, and we once again go around the killing merry go round. Time will tell if mankind is worthy of a future, I personally have my doubts. This has been my sum up of 50 years experience of life.

Into the valley of death rode……. 😡
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politicians are the root cause of most of our problems – there has never been a cut back on them, about time we started.

The European Army..

Ok ..you end up with the ultimate Military in the world…So what?

doesn’t really address my point..its hard if not impossible to defeat a belief or an idea.

Don’t worry, our politicians realise our armies are unbeatable, and we will stay there until the job gets done. I don’t think we would be in this situation if we were part of the so called Euro army. European countries woud not have got involved in Afghanistan . How about sending a few Politicians to Afghanistan to fight on the front line. That would be quite interesting, as I am sure you’ll agree. 😀
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First goal will to be defeat an insurgent MOD and political cabal that wants nothing more than to cut a fine group of military institutions.

Ok ..you end up with the ultimate Military in the world…So what?

doesn’t really address my point..its hard if not impossible to defeat a belief or an idea.

id have the first one

Ok….so now you have a significant number of people linked by either Religion or Nationality who have an implacable hatred for your country due to your countries interference in their affairs…I dont think we need to go into the reasons, resentment at outside interference ,Families killed by ” friendly Fire “, Mother -sister-daughter raped by one bad apple, etc etc etc…

Revenge is not purely an American or Israeli thought process so next thing you know the ” foreigners” or those in sympathy come looking for payback….

Now where do you go?

Better by far to work through diplomacy and negotiation. mind you the arrogance of the ” Civilized ” world has probably left us with a situation that is beyond redemption.

Fact is that it will be very difficult if not impossible to defeat such a well organised partisan organisation who are not fighting for a King,Government or even possibly a country…they are fighting for their GOD!

First goal will to be defeat an insurgent MOD and political cabal that wants nothing more than to cut a fine group of military institutions.

Wouldnt it be better NOT to be travelling the world making even more enemies?

And here’s a question back:

Which would you prefer

a. one enemy 1000 miles away who has been turned into an implacable enemy by your governments foreign policy….

b. One thousand ” enemies ” (?) one mile away who you can at least try to reconcile ?

id have the first one

I don’t think anyone has mentioned in Afghanistan the British Government is unable to send any more helecopters to support our troops so they have been forced to hire RUSSIAN military helecopters fitted with western avionics!

😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

When our injured soldiers are subjected to abuse, it makes your mind boggle.
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I don’t think anyone has mentioned in Afghanistan the British Government is unable to send any more helecopters to support our troops so they have been forced to hire RUSSIAN military helecopters fitted with western avionics!

😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

This is something which realy frustrates me, the UK has the 5th largest economy in the world and a population of 60 million people (nothing small about it), the resources are available within the country there is just not the political will to mobilise them.

I think it will need a bit more than that to win the war, something on a larger scale perhaps. Not worth contemplating, unless you want to set the world alight. We don’t want any more wars, life’s hard enough as it is.
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Well unfortunately being a small country, we don’t have the financial resources to increase the firepower in Afghanistan. I don’t like repeating myself, but I think it’s time to stop throwing money at a war which can’t be won. There are many people who think the same, but I guess the government thinks otherwise. Lets hope things change for the better, it’s the only hope we have. 🙁
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This is something which realy frustrates me, the UK has the 5th largest economy in the world and a population of 60 million people (nothing small about it), the resources are available within the country there is just not the political will to mobilise them.

ok here is a question for you all would you

A, have 1 enemy a thousand miles away?

or

B, have a thousand enemies 1 mile away?

Wouldnt it be better NOT to be travelling the world making even more enemies?

And here’s a question back:

Which would you prefer

a. one enemy 1000 miles away who has been turned into an implacable enemy by your governments foreign policy….

b. One thousand ” enemies ” (?) one mile away who you can at least try to reconcile ?

WELL AND TRULY SNOOKERED.

the ones we have now

I do wish the upper echelons of society, would come and live with the ordinary people. Then they might realise just how life in Britain really is. Then they would see for themselves the problems that exist in Britain. Britain 2006 is totally different, to what it was 30 years ago. A multicultural society such as ours, is dependent on understanding and tolerance between different cultures. For this reason alone, it is imperative we live together peacefully. I know this is stating the obvious, but it is relevant to the present military situation abroad. Others might say we can fight the extremists within our midst, but at what cost to Britain as it is now. We have well and truly snookered ourselves, and there is no easy answer to the problem. You see common sense thinking, may have left us in a better position , but of course common sense is a thing of the past, isn’t it.
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the ones we have now