Afraid of death

I like the cat piccies 😀 I believe in life after death, but only in the minds of the living.

Nice picture, when googling for it I came across this

Nah! The eyes are fine – it’s the brain falling to pieces!!:D

“Specsavers?”.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Kev, my apologies. I looked back and immediately remembered your comments. Thank you.

Charlie.

See post 7 and subsequent.

Like I said, no-one has come back to tell us how good it is if an afterlife exists. It would be nice to think we didn’t just end, that perhaps we were promoted up the leagues as it were, but still no one has shown me their championship medal yet.

Regards,

kev35

Kev

I think many here would endorse most of what you say and some already have. But may I refer you to the OP’s question and hear your thoughts on that?

Thanks for the input Kev, I agree 100% with what you say.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

If we all lived forever we’d starve. Take a look at population growth and predictions for the future. Death is jusy nature’s way of culling the planet. The problem is is that the population is growing faster than the natural cull kills us off. Be careful what you wish for, it’s not inconceivable that your little corner of America could resemble Ethiopia or Somalia in a few hundred years time.

Regards,

kev35

Only just read this most interesting thread. I think the main issue is as to how we die. We just don’t want to know it at the time, particularly is it’s painful. Is there anything after that, your guess is as good as mine but I believe there is. Too many ‘reincarnation’ stories out there that prove it. You just need an open mind to accept it.
Getting back to kev35’s quote, if you haven’t read Dan Brown’s latest book, “Inferno”, I can recommend it as it deals with just this problem. there’s a nice twist at the end as well. Spend a few bucks/pounds and enjoy it.

I would like to hear KEVS views on this, as I think he has more experience in dealing with cases such as described, than most of us.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I think euthanasia or assisted suicide will struggle to come into law for the simple reason that someone has to make the law and be accountable for it. The intellectual fitness of someone wishing to be assisted will always be able to be called into question, almost like Catch – 22. Euthanasia can be looked at differently as it is someone else’s decision rather than being that of the person undergoing the process.

As unpalatable as it might be to some, euthanasia is routinely carried out by the medical profession and has been for many years. The withdrawal of treatment (but not care) can be seen as euthanasia and is practiced on a daily basis. As long as care is maintained I personally see no reason why treatment should be continued when it is to the detriment of the sufferer and its only contribution is the longevity of life rather than the quality of it.

Regards,

kev35

Do animals have any concept of death or is it just us humans? Philosophy, consciousness etc.

Not that it adds much to the argument.. I just like the image

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Moggy

Instinctive reaction engrained in their genes, Linc. We naturally ascribe human characteristics to animals because that’s all we understand but animals are not human and do not possess the complexity of the human brain and more importantly the mind.
But I understand how you and countless others feel.:)

So why Chas do Elephants (Seemingly all) go to the same place to die?. We don’t understand ourselves Chas, let alone animals/fish etc.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

The question was “concept of death”. I am quite sure their inate instincts make them quiet and passive before death. I am sure they do not know they are going to die, in our terms, because they cannot rationalise life and death. They live and then they die and their inate sense together with learning through life takes them from one to another.

Short answer – no.

Don’t agree with that Chas, having had many dogs, as with us, their time comes sadly also. When ever one of our dogs has had it’s alotted time, I find they go very quiet, stay in one place, and they know, believe me I know.
Now, I have a very large pond, and at the back end of last year, I forgot to drain 75% of the “Old water ” out, and fill up with fresh water. One of the Koi carp, got got Carp Pox and fin rot. When a Koi gets something wrong with them, they isolate themselves from the rest of the fish, to prevent the others catching the complaint also. So even fish know when their time is nearly up.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

How about buring? Its very hot and die easily. Or getting freezed up by water?

I prefer to go the way of a relative of mine.
Toasted in the new year. Got up, went to kitchen. Found dead on kitchen floor. Ambulance crew said he would have been dead before he hit the ground.
Or peacefully in my sleep.

How about buring? Its very hot and die easily. Or getting freezed up by water?

I’ve been there a couple of times…came back from the brink.

Not bothered about it.

The Surgeon told me the other day in reference to my on going problems that I should have been six feet under four years ago, but it doesn’t faze me.

I’m here at the moment and that’s all that concerns me, although on balance, the way I have been left with health issues and lack of support I often feel it would have been better had I not come back.

I do not believe there is anything else…gone and that’s it.

In some ways I envy animals because of this. But then we experience so much more than they do, the flip side being able to experience the bad as well as good. To be as stupid and content as a cat, or as emotional and mortal as a human?

The irony of intelligence is we can contemplate our demise, and theorize about the time after.

Surely although they possess instinct and the physical senses, their brains do not have the capacity to enunciate concepts, nor rationalise their behaviour, nor understand abstract ideas. They can learn to do things as a child does but not to intellectualise what they are doing.