Anybody fancy an 'Indian'?

I think there are a lot of hidden treasures waiting to be found there! 🙂

If I take a look at the planes in the IAF museum, I find that they did a great job to represent the planes to the public. I know that there might be some faults ( for example the things that Daz pointed out about the spit), but remember that India isn’t as wealthy as a country here in Europe. Remember the last static spitfire restoration in the country. It didn’t realy look like a spitfire at the end. 😮

So my hat of for the staff of the indian museum and thanks for the pics Mark!

J.V.

Mark

Any loose Spitfire bits you found in between the tandoori chicken and the bombbay duck?

Cees

Indian Canberra.

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There was incidentally a very fine Canberra parked in a scrub field close to a village just short of Pune/Poona.

Mark

Mark , Thanks for the great shots – lovely stuff.

That Canberra you mention, is this somewhere moving out of Poona going towards Bombay at a place called PimpriChinchwad?

Other than that, there is a Canberra which can be seen within Poona on the Bund Road – placed in a school. thats probably the only ‘Public’ Canberra besides the one in IAF Museum and the HALMuseum (Bangalore)

Its great to see the IAF Museum guys opened up the ‘external’ display of transport aircraft. previously this had been offlimits to visitors.

There is still another section that is still offlimits – it has Two C-47s, an Il-14 and a DHC-4 Caribou.

Jagan

Jagan,

Here are my photos. Can you tell which one it is? From Poona to Bombay this would be on your right. It didn’t look like a school but lots of kids and quite close to the outskirts of Poona.

Incidentally a couple of weeks ago, whilst at the Red Fort at Agra, a Canberra took off and rose above the trees in the middle distance. Quite nostalgic. 🙂

Mark

Oops forgot – that Marut BD-463 is from the Nehru Science Center, nearer to Mumbai/bombay if not IN it.

its the second Marut prototype , and the earliest example to have survived. Full marks to those guys for building that shed – we dont see people taking that kind of care too often.

U’re absolutely right Jagan,that’s in Nehru Science Centre,Worli Mumbai proper,was well maintained in the 70s when we were in school,won’t forget the school workshops in there and our rush to get into the cockpit,now it’s not good,my kid found two dead monitors in it.

Oops forgot – that Marut BD-463 is from the Nehru Science Center, nearer to Mumbai/bombay if not IN it.

its the second Marut prototype , and the earliest example to have survived. Full marks to those guys for building that shed – we dont see people taking that kind of care too often.

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There was incidentally a very fine Canberra parked in a scrub field close to a village just short of Pune/Poona.

Mark [quote]

Mark , Thanks for the great shots – lovely stuff.

That Canberra you mention, is this somewhere moving out of Poona going towards Bombay at a place called PimpriChinchwad?

Other than that, there is a Canberra which can be seen within Poona on the Bund Road – placed in a school. thats probably the only ‘Public’ Canberra besides the one in IAF Museum and the HALMuseum (Bangalore)

Its great to see the IAF Museum guys opened up the ‘external’ display of transport aircraft. previously this had been offlimits to visitors.

There is still another section that is still offlimits – it has Two C-47s, an Il-14 and a DHC-4 Caribou.

Jagan

The ‘Pak’ scrap.

The remains of a shot down F-86 Sabre I am told.

Mark

Marut

It’s a HAL HF.24 Marut, a supersonic fighter/attacker built in India. It saw service in the Indian Air Force, and was actually designed by Kurt Tank (of Fw-190 fame).

No apologies needed by the way, those Maruts are pretty rare outside India. There is one in Germany in the Oberschliessheim museum because of the Kurt Tank connection, but apart from that you could say it’s a bit of an obscure fighter. Especially on a piston-forum 😉

Arthur,

There is another Marut in India.

In 1997 I was free-ranging in the Mumbai-Pune-Nasik triangle on field trials and I stumbled on the attached. I am inclined to think it was close to Mumbai/Bombay.

There was incidentally a very fine Canberra parked in a scrub field close to a village just short of Pune/Poona.

Mark

Thanks Arthur

The Hurricane marked AB832 used to be marked AP832 – both serials are from missing blocks (the AB serial was between Spitfires, the AP serial between Hurricanes) – and used to have undercarriage doors.

I thought it was AP932…;) – Nermal

I don’t recognise a lot of the planes in that second lot. Would you mind posting a list of what they all are please?

I hope Mark12 doesn’t mind:
Tu-124
An-12 (with the nose of a C-119 in the background)
TS-11 Iskra (with the tails of a C-119 in the background)
An-12 again
Tempest II
ditto
HAL Ajeet (local development of the Gnat)
MXY-7 Okha kamikaze rocket
tail of a Su-7
HAL HF.24 Marut
B-24J
Canberra B(I)58
B-24J again
Mi-4
Sikorsky S-55 Chocktaw/Chickasaw
A lot of Pakistani scrap, with what look like least a few F-6 (=MiG-19) bits and a B-57 (=Canberra) wing.

It’s a HAL HF.24 Marut, a supersonic fighter/attacker built in India. It saw service in the Indian Air Force, and was actually designed by Kurt Tank (of Fw-190 fame).

No apologies needed by the way, those Maruts are pretty rare outside India. There is one in Germany in the Oberschliessheim museum because of the Kurt Tank connection, but apart from that you could say it’s a bit of an obscure fighter. Especially on a piston-forum 😉

Arthur,

I think Ashley was referring to Photo no. 8.

This is the Yokosuka MXY-7 Ohka 11 (R), as I recall. :rolleyes: 🙂

Mark

Brilliant photos of an amazing collection. Thanks Mark12.

I don’t recognise a lot of the planes in that second lot. Would you mind posting a list of what they all are please?

Wow, great pictures Mark12, thank you 🙂 What’s the big pointy nosed aircraft in photograph no 8 in the second batch? (Apologies if this is screamingly obvious to everyone else but me)

It’s a HAL HF.24 Marut, a supersonic fighter/attacker built in India. It saw service in the Indian Air Force, and was actually designed by Kurt Tank (of Fw-190 fame).

No apologies needed by the way, those Maruts are pretty rare outside India. There is one in Germany in the Oberschliessheim museum because of the Kurt Tank connection, but apart from that you could say it’s a bit of an obscure fighter. Especially on a piston-forum 😉

Wow, great pictures Mark12, thank you 🙂 What’s the big pointy nosed aircraft in photograph no 8 in the second batch? (Apologies if this is screamingly obvious to everyone else but me)

I like the fin flash on the Lysander!
It’s great to see these machines preserved and clearly with a great deal of attention paid to them. While the “Dulux” paint may not be the best, at least it protects – more than can be said for some of the aircraft “preserved” elsewhere around the world. Let’s not mention the Hendon Beverley…

Mark,

Looks like a great museum, its on the list 😉

Thanks for posting

Most of the rest.

Mark

Turban fit etc

Kye,

Only Sikh pilots wear turbans – and we are only a minority of 2% in India!

However the only DSO in the Indian Air Force or Royal Indian Air Force was a Sikh – Air Cdre Mehar Singh. The winner of the highest gallantry award (Param Vir Charkra) in post-colonial India was a Sikh Flt Lt Nirmaljit Singh Sekhon. Check out this web page http://www.info-sikh.com/FFPage1.html and this one http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1940s/Sikhs.html

I usually wear a smaller turban – called a patka, more like a bandana, when I fly – the helmet and headset fit well enough then. And this I do in the USA – I am a 1st Lootenant in the USAF Auxiliary – the Civil Air Patrol. My father wore standard RAF issue cloth helmets and bone domes flying everything from Prentices to Vampires to Canberras. You just need to get a size or two larger than the small headed people 🙂

BTW – there as a great site by Jagan – www.warbirdsofindia.com – we are trying to get as pedantic about paint schemes etc as the British 🙂 and have approached the IAF to do something about it – but like everything else in India it will take time.

Anandeep Singh Pannu

I think the Wapati roundel might be blue, white, green (centre) if you look carefully, as is the fin flash.

scrooge