Brady reveals location of Keith Bennett's body

Jim I think this is the man concerned

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

There is a prison facility in Arizona. The prisoners, live in tents, shave in cold water, and work for the State on a chain gang every day,in the heat of the desert, no other facilities are available. The Governer stated publicly on T.V. he has NEVER in all the yrs as govener of the prison, had an offender return.
I think there is a moral there, and also the answer to your question.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Jim, I think you have it wrong.
There is a county jail that puts overflow in tents. And being a county facility, they’re there for short periods. The sheriff prides himself of being a tough guy…and is always facing lawsuits from the federal Justice dept who seem to think he’s too tough.
I haven’t heard of chain gangs, nor did I see any when I lived in Arizona…but then again, I wasn’t really looking. 🙂

Sorry guys, I think locking someone up for life is cruel and unusual….you’d have to be nuts to really prefer that over death.

‘Tests have been carried out on a spade found buried on Saddleworth Moor to establish whether it has any connection to the Moors murders.’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9514984/Tests-carried-out-on-Moors-murders-spade.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2196952/Rusty-spade-unlock-final-resting-place-Moors-Murder-victim-Keith-Bennett.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/moors-murders-spade-clue-could-1296421

A number of spades have been recovered over the years on Saddleworth Moor.

Story from August 2012

http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/sitenewsreadmore/infobox/news/template/default/active_id/1200

I am going to have a rant so you so called liberal yoghurt knitters can stop reading now.

The comparison with animals of any description is a slight on most that walk this earth. These nonces should be destroyed without mercy, they should have no “Human Rights” at all. You can sit in you chairs and argue all you like but what if it was your child that was bu**ered or killed would you still think the same? I would happily hang them myself(and get their weight wrong so they died slowly)

Get this into your heads You will not change a kiddy fiddler or murderer. You will just end up wasting public money on keeping them alive. Top them and make the country safer for the innocents to grow and play without fear!

Before you sh1t your armchairs in indignation and reply to this do you sums and work out how much it has taken in cold hard cash to have kept Brady and the late Hindley in prison or institution. That is with moving on to Huntley and other pond life like him.

Quite calm assessment actually, for me, drug dealers and especially paedophiles are parasites and should be treated as such.

My own preference for them would be burial at sea from the bomb bay of a jet at 35,000 ft plus, this would make their worthless carcasses instantly recyclable and prevent any focal point for any other like minded creatures.

I am going to have a rant so you so called liberal yoghurt knitters can stop reading now.

The comparison with animals of any description is a slight on most that walk this earth. These nonces should be destroyed without mercy, they should have no “Human Rights” at all. You can sit in you chairs and argue all you like but what if it was your child that was bu**ered or killed would you still think the same? I would happily hang them myself(and get their weight wrong so they died slowly)

Get this into your heads You will not change a kiddy fiddler or murderer. You will just end up wasting public money on keeping them alive. Top them and make the country safer for the innocents to grow and play without fear!

Before you sh1t your armchairs in indignation and reply to this do you sums and work out how much it has taken in cold hard cash to have kept Brady and the late Hindley in prison or institution. That is with moving on to Huntley and other pond life like him.

I take offence, Paul.

You are insulting pond life.

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I take offence, Paul.

You are insulting pond life.

I am going to have a rant so you so called liberal yoghurt knitters can stop reading now.

The comparison with animals of any description is a slight on most that walk this earth. These nonces should be destroyed without mercy, they should have no “Human Rights” at all. You can sit in you chairs and argue all you like but what if it was your child that was bu**ered or killed would you still think the same? I would happily hang them myself(and get their weight wrong so they died slowly)

Get this into your heads You will not change a kiddy fiddler or murderer. You will just end up wasting public money on keeping them alive. Top them and make the country safer for the innocents to grow and play without fear!

Before you sh1t your armchairs in indignation and reply to this do you sums and work out how much it has taken in cold hard cash to have kept Brady and the late Hindley in prison or institution. That is with moving on to Huntley and other pond life like him.

Just seen and read this thread, and without wanting to add to the sheetstorm I would say that I do not care for ‘closure’ either, but…….. having read and watched many veteran accounts of long ago events there still seem to be a lot of old soldiers (and their relatives) in need of ‘closure’ – just because there wasn’t a word for it 70 years ago doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.

I doubt many of these people can really put their nightmares to bed, but 9 times out of 10, visiting a marked grave certainly seems to bring them some comfort & understanding if not peace of mind. standing next to the cold, dead body of my Father certainly brought some comfort to me though I am still sad (he was ‘lucky’ enough to die of natural causes btw).

As for Brady, he’s far from unique. I think the capacity for inflicting hurt is in all of us ‘animals’ (we are animals). If I actually acted on half of the homicidal thoughts that drift into my head I’d probably be sharing a block with him – and quite a few PL referees would be pushing up the daisies!

What is beyond my comprehension is that people cross the threshold between everyday fantasy to the most grotesque of violations – the capacity to switch off the ‘civilised’ and just tear away at another human being – there but for the grace of (insert your belief system here) go I…

Is he to be pitied? No. Is he to be helped? Maybe, in as much as it’s possible. I think there is something missing – hugs, a gene, a hormone, guidance, discipline, upbringing, education – God knows what the trigger(s) really are but Phil Dowd is still alive and most people that I know (all hopefully) are not murderers.

The Bulger murder is another case in point – those lads killed JB before they even knew what life meant and I don’t think they were born killers – just had the potential like everyone else.

I do think life imprisonment is a cruel and unusual punishment. Are prisons for punishment, rehabilitation or both and what’s the line or tariff for each crime? When is enough enough – when does punishment become sadism? And when do you decide that someone just needs to be quietly taken round the back of the exercise yard and slotted?

If it’s just about the punishment, let’s take a leaf from Tojo’s book and cram them 15 to a room, starve them and have them out for 12 hours every day fixing broken Britain.

I think the death penalty can be less cruel in some cases but not something that should be used as a blanket punishment. I would think that habitual, repeat offenders with no conscience, who are at the top of their food chains and do it for profit (eg: mafia dons, drug dealers etc…) would be ideal candidates for loading into torpedo tubes & subsequent burial at sea. People like Brady – are just broken, really really broken – should society try and fix them on the basis that it may only be successful 1 time in a 1000??

Sorry, I don’t know the answers but just offing these nutbags or keeping them in a cage for sixty years doesn’t seem like it will deter others or fix society – which is surely, at least, part of the point behind the penal system?

In view of the fact, it is alleged that these Moors are Peat Moors, and as such, even if Brady were to take the Police to where he (After all these years) Brady buried the young lad, I doubt it would be in the same place. I.M.H.O. I don’t think he would now, have a clue as to where it may be.

It is believed by Police Officers involved and also Keith’s brother Alan that when Brady was taken to the Moors that it was simply another one of his mind games. During two visits to the Moors Brady claimed that he became disorientated and the search was called off.

It is believed that Brady used the visits to re-visit and covertly re-check it. Remember that both Brady and Hindley would re-visit the grave sites and take photographs. Hindley revealed that Brady had taken a photograph of Keith Bennett’s grave but that they later destroyed it.

Based on Hindley’s recounts, and also certain areas where Brady took the team, Keith’s brother Alan and friends today search in two specific locations. Alan describes the locations as being roughly football field in size and two miles apart.

Hopefully they can recover Keith’s body before Brady dies. Brady has already hinted on a ‘surprise’ after his death. Keith Bennett’s family believe that some of Brady’s supporters and friends (Yes hard to believe but they exist!) supported him in smuggling out a manuscript for his autobiography. Not hard to imagine after Brady with the help of one supporter actually smuggled a manuscript out of prison that resulted in a book being published! The book is called ‘The Gates of Janus: Serial Killing and Its Analysis’ Simply staggering that any publisher would want to publish it, but they did.

The Bennett family have called on the house of Dr Alan Keightley to be searched for any clues as to the location of Keith’s body. Keightley smuggled the manuscript out for the book and is his legal heir.

There is a claim in the following programme that Brady’s mental health worker passed the letter back to him. Keightley also appears in the programme and is a very creepy individual indeed.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/ian-brady-endgames-of-a-psychopath/4od

The programme is also available on You Tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9zg6WY6_UA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IlZZvloyFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xpspC4Smbc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTP7HBVC_N8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrZElh508cI

Alan Bennett, Keith’s brother, and his partner Carol Ann Lee run the following website and forum. Alan posts as ‘ab’ and is always open to discuss the search for his brother. Alan believes that advances in technology will one day help in locating Keith’s body.

http://searchingforkeith.forumcircle.com/viewforum.php?f=1&

http://www.searchingforkeith.com/

… Pass a law saying it’s illegal to be Jewish, and as you say, this means they lose all their human rights and be tortured or executed for their crime…

It wasn’t illegal to be Jewish in Nazi Germany – the hundreds of anti-Jewish laws passed in the 1930s and 40s were mainly designed to prevent them from working in law, the arts, media, medicine, and owning property etc. There was no law forbidding people to be Jewish!
Human rights didn’t apply to Jews either, as they were declared ‘untermensch’ by the Nazis – subhuman.
Interestingly, my lot would have been carted off in cattle trucks too, had Britain been successfully invaded – the Nazis considered the Picts from eastern Scotland to be ‘untermensch’.
Shows how twisted their ideology was however, as the Picts were of German and Scandinavian origin – hunter gatherers who came across the land bridge nearly 10,000 years ago before the North Sea filled with water…

Ppp, I thought I answered your query, sorry if you took it the other way.

I’m wasting my time trying to debate with people who simply are ignoring my posts in favour of answering fictitious or manipulated statements of their own creation which they then attribute to me, such that they can make the rant they wanted to make in the first place. Either some of you have SERIOUS reading and memory difficulties or you’re just doing it on purpose. In either case, I’d get more sense talking to a tree. Bye all!

Tony.

I ‘lambasted’ Jim not because he is an ex Police Officer but because he told me he didn’t believe that the Police didn’t do their best on this occasion. Clearly he is wrong on the grounds that medical evidence showed that he would not have died at that time had he not had six ribs broken. Without the injuries inflicted by an attacker that the Police made no effort to catch he might still have been alive today.

Jim also said I had no idea what went through my Uncle’s mind when he was attacked. Visiting every day for two weeks he told me at length EXACTLY what went through his mind as he relived the attack over and over again.

Complaints were made and brushed aside, in the end, it makes no difference, I still had to stand at my Uncle’s grave as they lowered the coffin into the ground.

I firmly believe that executing murderers, rapists et al is giving them the soft option. A quick death? I suspect many would choose that over knowing that they had to spend the next thirty, forty or fifty years in the same four walls following the same routine knowing that things would remain that way for the rest of their natural Lives. I agree Tony, subsistence level at best with no priveleges.

But to go back to Brady, he wants to be allowed to die. Because it is something he wants I would deny him that for as long as humanly possible. Let him suffer everyday the way the families his victims have had to.

Regards,

kev35

Human rights for all when respected by all certainly, but come on the first thing a criminal does, whatever the crime, is to p@@s all over the victims human rights.

OK I am not talking, torture or mass slaughter but what gives criminals the right to demand anything, they should get what we allow and be thankful that society still allows them to exist.

When my little girls were young a perv in a van offered them and a little friend a ride in his van.

They fortunately were having none of it, the guy was actually caught but because he hadn’t touched the girls the chances of a result in court were slim. We know that a few coppers “had a little word” with him, his employers moved him to another area, in less than 6 months this ba@@@d had snatched a 4 year old off the street and raped her.

He was caught and went to jail, he was constantly moved and placed under protection because other criminals wanted to do him serious harm, of course his human rights were paramount.

Got out of jail and very soon tried the same thing again, he was seen and chased off, but this time someone caught him before the police, who exacted rough justice is not known, but very few shed any tears over it.

The human rights clan would have us believe that the paedo was the victim and his rights were abused I would beg to differ.

You guys need to chill out, PPP where the heck did torture or execution come into Human rights, they are both illegal by the present laws of the country so suspending or reducing someone’s Human Rights have no bearing whatsoever on any of the two.

They should have a basic right to basic food, water, heat and shelter whilst in prison……., Voting, TV’s in cells etc nope, any extra comforts, cigarrettes, sweets etc should be worked for.. you all whitter on about the human rights of the prisoners, but you seem to miss out on the human rights of the victims that have been removed by these individuals through Rape, TORTURE, EXECUTION by Murder, assault, theft etc…. As they have had no care for their victims Human Rights, then you pay the Piper and do the time, one of the reasons people are jailed is the loss of their human rights…..

As for this Cr*p about Nazi’s and Hitler…… Whilst serving in Germany I visited several of the Death Camps…. And believe me, it should be mandatory… You will soon learn not to throw such words around lightly… On and remember, sadly it was the UK that invented the Concentration Camp..

Oh and my ten penneth worth I would bring back the death penalty, the likes of Myra Hindley, Brady, Peter Sutcliffe, Fred West etc should have went straight to the gallows.

Kev, I find you lambasting Jim rather strange, even if you got no joy from the senior officer surely you could have put in an official complaint? You seem to be targeting Jim a bit over it because he was an ex copper. Don’t blame him for what others in the Force did.

You know when I was in the forces at the end of the 80’s the Daily allowance to feed an Airman was something like £3.60 per day, that’s for three meals, a prisoner’s daily allowance was over £5 for the same period… Make sense of that, and we were fed great, omelette bar, steak bar, outdoor Barbie area, choice of about 4 roasts, various other dishes, tons of sweet choices etc.

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Jim.

Do you deliberately choose to misinterpret everything other people write? The whole point is that the attacker was NEVER caught and that the attack which directly led to the death of my Uncle was considered by a senior detective to be unconnected with his death. The attacker was never caught because the Police chose to do nothing, absolutely nothing to investigate either the attack or his subsequent death. What do you mean? I have no idea what was going through his head? He told me several times over the last two and a half weeks of life.

Having got that straight, at least I hope you have, how dare you tell me how I should feel. I don’t want the attacker to forfeit his life, just his liberty, but neither is going to happen because of the ineffectiveness of the Police. There are times when I really despair at your crass insensitivity.

Regards,

kev35

Kev. I was not being insensitive, If you read what I had put, you will see I was agreeing with everything you said.Not in any way shape or form disagreeing with you.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

PPP.
The short answer is YES for those who commit Murder, but I agree with TonyT, rights given at a reduced amount to lesser offences.
Prison is supposed to be a deterrant, not a Holiday camp.

There is a prison facility in Arizona. The prisoners, live in tents, shave in cold water, and work for the State on a chain gang every day,in the heat of the desert, no other facilities are available. The Governer stated publicly on T.V. he has NEVER in all the yrs as govener of the prison, had an offender return.
I think there is a moral there, and also the answer to your question.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Jim.

Do you deliberately choose to misinterpret everything other people write? The whole point is that the attacker was NEVER caught and that the attack which directly led to the death of my Uncle was considered by a senior detective to be unconnected with his death. The attacker was never caught because the Police chose to do nothing, absolutely nothing to investigate either the attack or his subsequent death. What do you mean? I have no idea what was going through his head? He told me several times over the last two and a half weeks of life.

Having got that straight, at least I hope you have, how dare you tell me how I should feel. I don’t want the attacker to forfeit his life, just his liberty, but neither is going to happen because of the ineffectiveness of the Police. There are times when I really despair at your crass insensitivity.

Regards,

kev35

Kev, My sympathies regarding your Uncle. When a murder happens, it goes straight to C.I.D. for them to carry out the investigation.
The other idiot, would have been given short shrift, had I been you, followed by a complaint to the CC of his Force. I havn’t a lot of time for the Police these days, but they are not ALL bad, as in any job, you are bound to get the odd bad apple.I know these days you have the Victim Support Unit, but it’s not any good for those like yourself.One cannot even begin to imagine what thoughts were going through his head at the time of his attack, having seen many similar things when I was on the Force, perhaps now you can see why scum like that, WHEN CAUGHT, should have their rights taken away from them, who gave them the RIGHT to kill, and thats what it was, not the complications that followed, that killed your Uncle?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

@kev35
It doesn’t surprise me. There’s no fine involved, it’s not racially motivated, and it involves more than giving out a crime number.

@Lincoln 7
So are you now in favour of human rights for criminals, or still against?

@TonyT
Would the reduced version protect from torture and execution?