"Ding Dong The Dinosaur is Dead" ?

snafu #152

He’s merely keeping up the family traditions.

Do you mean the same son/Pillock who caused a huge search and rescue Operation when he got himself lost in the Desert?.

If certain red tops are to be believed he hadn’t seen her for several months when she died; easily checked since he lives in South Africa and apparently has certain restrictions placed on his movements due to his involvement a failed coup d’état in Equatorial Guinea.

John ref#148

I would never have guessed in a million years, as you can just possibly tell I was not her greatest fan.

In truth I did not suffer from her machinations as many did, but I didn’t like what I saw, remember I am very much a child of the North West, rural Lancashire in fact.

Do you mean the same son/Pillock who caused a huge search and rescue Operation when he got himself lost in the Desert?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I know it was a mothers instinct to search for that **** of a son but i did wonder if it hadn’t been her and just plain Mrs Smith there would have been quite the same amount of effort put in.Yes he is a ****,if he is still alive that is.

Ohhhh T w a t is a naughty word LOL

.. Even her ‘beloved’ son was pleased, if you read the right red tops. Probably added more to the Devils workload though (if you believe in that stuff)

Do you mean the same son/Pillock who caused a huge search and rescue Operation when he got himself lost in the Desert?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Re 136

Silver Fox

You’ll have to forgive a certain amount of hyperbole. I know it’s hard to tell but, I was a rather keen supporter though, not entirely uncritical, of Lady T.

Perceptions are different for people at different times in their lives.
Totally hypothetical situation [but probably truer than we think ]-young gun 21+ ish -high flying wannabe earning loads of money-no real scruples money is god. Party A in power just happens to suit that persons type of policies.
Ten+ years down the road that young gun has aged ,maybe fallen from grace or now realises that there is more to being human than money.His priorities have changed but because of policies bought out 10 years earlier that he was happy with then he is now in a worse position.
His perception of the government in power at that time will not seem as good looking through different eyes.
Agreed on the blurring on all the parties moving in towards each other and maybe that middle area is where the majority of people are in real life so the extremes are now null and void.

Re 115

….” even as a popular leader…”

Remind me. How many elections did she win? Apart from you and Snafu she surely had someone voting for her.

Gosh, her and Blair – a right pair – capture the attention of the country? Yes, she won the odd election (although count up how many people didn’t vote for her… No, that is not the way to mandate leadership but it sure is quite a judgement on the political system) but then so did Blair and I wouldn’t want him back either. Anyway, if voting really made a difference they’d abolish it.;o)

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I can do better than that. Lady T made millions very happy even to the point of voting for her !

She made her party happy by leaving Downing Street in tears, and quite a few people happier still by taking a similar career choice to Tony Benn’s… Even her ‘beloved’ son was pleased, if you read the right red tops. Probably added more to the Devils workload though (if you believe in that stuff)

Things sometimes are better, and things sometimes are worse, but so much of this is completely out of the control of any national leader. The electorate seems to have lost touch with the reality of living in a globalised world and still think that the Prime Minister can control everything; or at least they blame the Prime Minister when things are not to their liking…

…which is often!

It’s not about making things better it’s about making people feel better and so think things are better at any given time.

The PM and their party being voted out has over stayed their welcome popularity drops and they are replaced…

The problem with politics is not really politicians, they are just a scapegoat, the problem is reality; people get disillusioned because the politicians in power cannot make things better…

…but no politician can just make things better. Or they would, wouldn’t they?

The problem is reality…..you can’t just vote everybody better-off!

Yes, you can change things around a bit; you can redistribute the existing wealth differently, but no government is sitting on a mountain of gold. All the money that government spends has to come from the taxpayer, and it is never enough; all governments have had to borrow huge amounts to cover the shortfall.

Don’t necessarily believe what you read in the papers, Trump!!:eek: But, in essence, you are right to some extent. But isn’t the problem that politics is not as polarising as you suggest. Blair moved Labour towards the centre as has Cameron the Tories. Milliband is attempting to move the party back to its natural roots, with limited success. So we have a vast majority of near-centrist politicians being voted for by a generally centrist electorate. The days of philosophically conviction politicians like Thatcher, Benn and Foot are long behind us.

It’s a bounce effect.The PM and their party being voted out has over stayed their welcome popularity drops and they are replaced.The new guy is seen as a saviour and is given 4 years to make things better but inevitably their popularity wanes until some point everyone has had enough of them.
Whilst you have such polarising opposition type politics it will never change,— no i tell a lie i think you end up with a large amount of people who can’t vote for what they would like to see,many don’t bother, don’t see the point so actually dross gets voted into power with a smaller and shrinking support.
I lived in an area where the political seat is so safe for that MP that you could never vote them out of a job or power. Alan Hazelhurst has ruled the roost for so long they actually had to have a vote to try and remove him and now Boris johnson MAY go to another safe seat which is ironic as it is everything he condemns the unions for -protection of jobs and he wants a safe guaranteed job http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Boris-Johnson-for-South-Cambridgeshire-MP-Odds-slashed-on-London-mayor-standing-for-seat-if-Andrew-Lansley-becomes-EU-Commissioner-20140324064500.htm

Politics needs to change – it is destroying all faith in the vote and integrity of the people who are supposed to be doing whats right for the majority.

I agree; a long time in office does a Prime Minister no favours at all.

When Tony Blair was swept into power on a landslide there were many in my generation who thought the country had been liberated from years of Conservative ‘oppression’; from now on everything would be better, an end to unemployment, an end to poverty, no more sickness or suffering and a boost to education with proper grants for students to live on! (Well, not quite but you get the idea.)

Anyway, I made a prediction then, that within five years people would regard Tony Blair in much the same way as they had regarded Margaret Thatcher. I wasn’t far wrong. And Tony Blair had the advantage of a country in reasonable financial health and a world free from recession and with a period of unprecedented growth before it…

…not so for Margaret Thatcher. She took over a country that was on its knees financially, that had just been bailed-out by the IMF (a bail-out that included conditions to cut government spending), and at a time when no other European country was being bailed-out; Britain literally was the ‘sick man of Europe’…

…and then the world went into recession. And still Margaret Thatcher got voted back in…..twice.

She must have been doing something right!

Charlie – i really think it was a case of Jump or pushed,she had pretty much made the Tories unelectable and she was so detested .

I think that is purely a side effect of how long she served. Can you imagine how unpopular Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg or Miliband would be after 11 years in service? Churchill was probably the most loved man in Britain during WW2, but it didn’t stop him from loosing to Atlee.

I don’t think she made the Conservatives unelectable. On the contrary, Labour were totally unelectable.

Yes Trump – what I meant was she did not lose an election so was not voted out in that sense. But as I said earlier she stayed too long and hubris took her over and destroyed her.

She wasn’t voted out – she resigned and John Major succeeded her.

Charlie – i really think it was a case of Jump or pushed,she had pretty much made the Tories unelectable and she was so detested [apart from a few who seem to worship her ] that she was dragging the Tories down.
The grey man did succeed her and steadied a sinking ship.

John
Would you like your Teddy back? landed in my back garden.

You call my post a juvenile rant, what in hell was your response?

You sound just as programmed as the best communist followers, you have your opinion, but it isn’t sacrosanct you don’t (thank the lord) have any control over other’s thoughts and opinions.

She wasn’t voted out – she resigned and John Major succeeded her.

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You’re bound to write that because you are in opposition. Millions supported her because they voted her into power – lots of times.

I know it hurts and I could weep for you !

I wonder what the figures were that voted her out–including her own party and so called colleagues.