Julian Assange

Indeed, fortunately the Ecudorians are looking after his rights and interests (good on them), not the Russians.

Planemike

If he was Russian he would of had a radioactive lunch or had a quick prod with a brolley by now

On this basis, why would the have any reason not to believe his human rights are in danger? :confused:

He has no concern for the human rights of others though does he? We could start with the two women he is accused of sexually assaulting, or perhaps in wikiworld they don’t actually have any human rights.

Asked what he thought of the dangers to those families created by the release of their personal information, Assange claimed that many informers in Afghanistan were “acting in a criminal way” by sharing false information with NATO authorities. He insisted that any risk to informants’ lives was outweighed by the overall importance of publishing the information.

He is playing fast and loose with other people’s lives let alone their human rights, yet, as soon as he perceives his human rights to be threatened he seeks sanctuary. Double standard in there somewhere?

Regards,

kev35

Two things stand out to me.

– The Ecuadorian government offered the Swedish investigators the opportunity to interview Assange in the embassy, they refused.
– The Ecuadorian government asked for guarantees from the Swedish, US and UK governments that Assange would not be extradited to the US, these guarantees were refused.

On this basis, why would the have any reason not to believe his human rights are in danger? :confused:

Jim,
… What difference is there in all fairness between Uraguay interfering in UK politics compared to UK putting their noses in Irans Iraqs, Afghanistans, Eygpts, Syria’s, Libya’s.?????

I have to agree with Kev, what he stated elsewhere, we stick our noses in other Countries Wars, and get our lads and lassies killed, thats the difference. As far as we know, and until the truth will out, how many soldiers has this man caused to be killed by his actions?.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

Jim………..

Think you and I probably could agree on quite a few things. ’twas not intended to be silly, to my mind freedom is very important and should be defended at all cost otherwise we are in danger of having things happen to us as those in RSA, Russia and too many other places. We are allowing too many of ours to be eroded.

I defend Julian because he embarasses governments. I would love to see him go to Sweeden and defend himself but to me it just looks as though he is being “set up”. If he were not facing “rape” allegations some other charges would have been trumped up, such as failure to pay his Council tax or some other similar charge.

Planemike

Jim………

Guess you would feel more at home in the RSA where 30 miners are gunned down by the police or in Russia where three girls are being imprisoned for singing a protest song against President Putin. Then, of course, there is that “beacon” democracy, the USA where folk are encarcerated in Guantanamo Bay rather than being taken before the Courts.

Think I still prefer “soft” GB, not that I consider GB “soft”. Maybe you just have a more priviledged life ??

Planemike

Mike, thats just silly, of corse you can’t even begin to even consider whats going on in the RSA, Russia, etc. That is terrible whats happening in those Countries. But this man is a very cleaver person, and needs kicking out.
As for GB being soft, you must agree there are areas in which we are soft.and could be improved on, but no one has the guts to do it in case it upsets the P.C. and Human rights brigade, Yes, we do need P.C. and Human Rights, but the rules and regulations, do seem to be a bit lax.And no, I do not have a privledged life, I try and live by the rules and regs, just as most of us do.:)
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Jim,
That would be the most stupid of things to do, the minute they did that you might as well close all of our and the US embassy’s world wide, as the sanctity of the building would be gone, the likes of the blind Chinese Dissident of late that took refuge in the US one, you could simply tell the Americans hand him over or we will take back the building and remove him……

Once you let that cat out of the bag there is no going back…. Good to see that little sh*t Haig squirming…. What difference is there in all fairness between Uraguay interfering in UK politics compared to UK putting their noses in Irans Iraqs, Afghanistans, Eygpts, Syria’s, Libya’s.?????

Tony, I agree, but we are talking about just ONE specific person here, obviously I realise the consequences of what you say, and cannot be generalised for every specific case/s.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Once again, it goes to show, what a soft place to live in, GB is.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Jim………

Guess you would feel more at home in the RSA where 30 miners are gunned down by the police or in Russia where three girls are being imprisoned for singing a protest song against President Putin. Then, of course, there is that “beacon” democracy, the USA where folk are encarcerated in Guantanamo Bay rather than being taken before the Courts.

Think I still prefer “soft” GB, not that I consider GB “soft”. Maybe you just have a more priviledged life ??

Planemike

I doubt very much Kev, that Austrailia would allow him into the Country, they are a damned site tougher on thing like that, Immigration, etc, than we are.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Julian (Hero of the People) does not want to go to Australia. He has very fortunately been granted by the Ecudorian Government. He just needs our government to allow him a free passage to get there. Do not understand why Bill Hague will not do the right thing and grant him that passage.

I just hope that a way is found for him to go to Ecudaor.

Planemike

Tony, I believe, that the news yesterday, included the fact that if the Embassy didn’t give him up, they would,(The building) lose it’s Diplomatic status, and thus revert to being a British building, whereby he would be “Dead meat” for want of better words.

Jim,
That would be the most stupid of things to do, the minute they did that you might as well close all of our and the US embassy’s world wide, as the sanctity of the building would be gone, the likes of the blind Chinese Dissident of late that took refuge in the US one, you could simply tell the Americans hand him over or we will take back the building and remove him……

Once you let that cat out of the bag there is no going back…. Good to see that little sh*t Haig squirming…. What difference is there in all fairness between Uraguay interfering in UK politics compared to UK putting their noses in Irans Iraqs, Afghanistans, Eygpts, Syria’s, Libya’s.?????

If, as some people are suggesting, Julian Assange is a here of truth and justice, why is he not subjecting himself to the due process of law in order to clear his name?

There’s a lot more to his activities than meets the eye.

Send him to Sweden to face the criminal allegations against him, or, alternatively, get him out of the Ecuadorian Embassy and on the first flight to Australia. After all, he is Australian isn’t he?

Regards,

kev35

I doubt very much Kev, that Austrailia would allow him into the Country, they are a damned site tougher on thing like that, Immigration, etc, than we are.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Re 37,Exactly so, and this is why he should be kicked out of GB, and made to explain his actions, and if needed, face the consequences. This man is no idiot, and knows how to “Play the game” to suit his own needs.

Once again, it goes to show, what a soft place to live in, GB is.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Let’s face it, the crimes he has to face in Sweden may be local news, but certainly wouldn’t be of worldwide interest. He hasn’t been charged with a crime, and even the Swedish government has said they have no legitimate reason to seek Assange’s extradition. It’s just an excuse to ‘get him’ on something.
It’s very easy to call him a coward, but what are the alternatives? Hand himself in so that the full might of some miffed American court can imprison him for life, or execute him?
The UK government will do anything to ingratiate themselves to the US – and even go so far as to violate international diplomatic laws and conventions, which could have much more serious implications worldwide.
My best wishes to Mr Assange…

I agree.

Also the “secrets” he was supposed to have exposed. Secret to whom ?
I doubt if any were secret to the Russians or Chinese.
I suspect the things he exposed were more along the lines of
embarrassments to certain individuals, than threats to national security.

If he does ever get to court in the US, I imagine it will be held behind closed
doors, with the proceedings being censored.

If, as some people are suggesting, Julian Assange is a here of truth and justice, why is he not subjecting himself to the due process of law in order to clear his name?

Don’t be kidding yourselves that he is this altruistic man whose only aim is to tell the world the truth. If he was such a man, why have wikileaks accepted as much as £85,000 a day for nothing more than telling the truth? There’s a lot more to his activities than meets the eye.

Send him to Sweden to face the criminal allegations against him, or, alternatively, get him out of the Ecuadorian Embassy and on the first flight to Australia. After all, he is Australian isn’t he?

Regards,

kev35

His supporters are behind him because of his wikileaks activities, not because they hold him up as a paragon of moral virtue.

Earlier in this thread, he is hailed as a “Hero of the people” repeatedly.

Many people do great things, but a hero is a person of outstanding moral fibre. Assange has proven that he lacks any moral fibre, and is as bad as those he targets through wiki leaks. Apparently he’s above the law…

Don’t get me wrong, I agree there should be clear limits, I’m just saying that when diplomatic privileges can be given or stripped away at the drop of a hat there doesn’t seem much point in having them in the first place.

As for:
“When he is arrested, and If he is found guilty of these ‘sexual assault’ charges, I would like to see the way his supporters react.”

I don’t know whether he is guilty or not, I think that so long as charges have been brought against him in a valid and proper manner then he should answer those – but even if he is guilty of the charges you mention that had nothing to do with whether wikileaks is a good or a bad thing. His supporters are behind him because of his wikileaks activities, not because they hold him up as a paragon of moral virtue.

I think bounderies should be set, and if you cross those lines, then you lose your Diplomatic Immunity, but hang on a minute, silly me, I forgot, we live in GB where anything seemingly goes.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Oh, how wish that were true, we now live in a very heavily controlled environment and if the Government has its way it will beome more so.

Planemike

In that case, what’s the point of giving anyone diplomatic status if it can be revoked at will?

Well, It wasn’t all that long ago, when all the staff at a foreign Embassy were told to pack their bags and clear off home, If you abuse the system, that this Country has given you, you deserve to lose your Diplomatic Immunity.
Just look at all the Parking and Congestion charges that different Countries Diplomats owe GB.
I think bounderies should be set, and if you cross those lines, then you lose your Diplomatic Immunity, but hang on a minute, silly me, I forgot, we live in GB where anything seemingly goes.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

When he is arrested, and If he is found guilty of these ‘sexual assault’ charges, I would like to see the way his supporters react.