Muslims insult British soldiers.

So a group of people protested against the troops, I am sad to say that it has never been limited to Muslims.
During my time in the RAF I was insulted because I was part of the armed forces and this happened in North Wales, Yorkshire,Scotland and West London. Bigots are all over the place and are nothing new. It just seems worse now because the film crews are news hungry and are informed in advance.
And racism is also more common than admitted , its not just those with ethnic backgrounds who get picked out. In Wales and Scotland I have been subjected to verbal abuse and thats just because I am English. But it is a minority who behave like that although its still a shock when it happens.

I live in a town where ten per cent of the population is Muslim and there is very little racial tension because,as has been pointed out already ,the vast majority of Muslim and British people are decent and law-abiding.But two of the convicted fertiliser bombers went to school here ,exactly the same sort of comprehensive school with the same values that my daughter went to.I don’t know any simple answer as to how two young men brought up in this environment could contemplate such atrocity ,but I would like to ask if there’s anyone on the board who can give a Muslim point of view ?

….We absolutely have to make the correct distinction between legitimate protests and religious extremism otherwise we get hoisted on our own rules and values by those people we need our rules and values to be the unmoveable object in front of. We need to be able to point to the tolerance shown in these kinds of events and say ‘look what happens in a mature and stable democracy, you WANT this for your bretheren, so work with us’. Thats how we win this – not by showing them how right their prejudices are against us.

Jonesy, that is the most sensible comment on this subject that I have seen made anywhere.

Problem we have here boys and girls is that we are just starting to blur the boundaries between religion and politics.

The protesters here demonstrated against a political instruction which is being enacted by HM Forces. It is not a religious or racial act to demonstrate against those troops anymore than it was religious or racist to demonstrate against the poll tax.

If you were to demonstrate against ‘Muslims’ for their behaviour here you ARE being racist as you specify one religious and racial group as your target. That would, rightly, come under incitement laws. This isnt mindless nitpickery either on my part IMHO.

We absolutely have to make the correct distinction between legitimate protests and religious extremism otherwise we get hoisted on our own rules and values by those people we need our rules and values to be the unmoveable object in front of. We need to be able to point to the tolerance shown in these kinds of events and say ‘look what happens in a mature and stable democracy, you WANT this for your bretheren, so work with us’. Thats how we win this – not by showing them how right their prejudices are against us.

Please, please don’t post anything like that again, Gollevainen. Your statements are more offensive then you may realize…

I’m confused? First I cannot support the troops spreading proper civilization to the Iraqi people and now I cannot support the troops of keeping down the terrorism…???

So what are the troops doing there then? For what reason shall I properly adress my humbe support to the brave and honourable young mans fullfilling their duty to the Queen?:confused::confused:

Youtube and other web sites carry still shots of (it is alleged) an 8 year old having his arm laid out to be run over by a car as punishment for stealing a loaf of bread in Iran.

No conclusive proof other than some pretty grim looking images, however, to go back on some earlier posts above, if I parade with a banner that says “Islamic courts maim children” etc etc – I’d be nicked, PDQ and up in court.

I wonder – would I be in the magistrates next to the guy with the “soldiers kill children” banner – would I *****.

A very odd statement Comet, considering English Common law can find its roots in ancient Islamic law.

If the west’s financial institutions was run according to Sharia law, then the present so called Credit Crunch would not have been able to happen.

It’s nice that someone have the guts to acknowledge the facts once in a while, so I like what you’re saying here mate. Islam as a civilization had made great contributions to humanity, but many people are too full of hatred to read between the lines during the post-9/11 era. But nonetheless, I do agree with Comet on his statement, the minority of people who hates their adopted country should pack up and leave.

My son is down there.

Please thank him for me… I’m currently in the early stages of my RAF application and to hear some of the things people say makes me feel sick! 😡

Yeas thats why I support the british troops there in the outscirts of the democracy and freedom…:confused:
And as everybody tends to be beggar poor nowadays in Iraq…
…or atleast those who generally get the terrrorism vibes…
…So It’s is highgly viable to say: “beat the terrorism out of the poor beggars”…;)

Please, please don’t post anything like that again, Gollevainen. Your statements are more offensive then you may realize…

I do agree that it’s a different rule for Non-Muslim British and some Muslim British. As long as the ‘racism card’ still exist I don’t think society will improve… It’s always the minority which spoil it for the majority.

Sam.

if they hate Britain so much and love Sharia law so much then let them go and live under Sharia law somewhere else and leave Britain to those who follow OUR laws and do not incite hatred of OUR people.

A very odd statement Comet, considering English Common law can find its roots in ancient Islamic law.

If the west’s financial institutions was run according to Sharia law, then the present so called Credit Crunch would not have been able to happen.

What would have happened if some of the British protesters had held up placards saying “Muslims go to Hell” “Muslims terrorists” “Muslims butchers” etc, all in the name of free speech?

I’ll tell you – they would have been arrested and charged with inciting racial hatred, just like the Brit who exercised his right to free speech by telling the Muslims where to go.

When it comes to free speech in this country it is one rule for British people and another for Muslims.

Those responsible should be put into a plane and dropped right in the middle of a Muslim country, if they hate Britain so much and love Sharia law so much then let them go and live under Sharia law somewhere else and leave Britain to those who follow OUR laws and do not incite hatred of OUR people.

:confused:

My son is down there. I am proud of him. I support, 5000%, our troops. I believe most right thinking people do in the UK. What they have been sent to do, and the politics of it all, is another matter entirely. It does not follow that supporting our troops (ie encouraging them, respecting them, honouring the dead, saluting them all as heroes, helping the maimed and injured etc etc) means that one supports the war aims in Iraq, or the Governments stance on matters, nor in believing that the aims in Afghanistan are, perhaps, misguided and certainly under-resourced.

Gollevainen, because there are those who are willing to serve their country we (mostly) live in the West in freedom and with democracy. I think that extends to your country too, and enables you to travel freely and think and write freely and to vote freely. It would be as well that we all remember that. Yourself included.

Let me make one final point. My son is not down there “…beating the terrorism out of the poor beggars”. I find that remark in bad taste and offensive. Thats my view, and my prerogative to express it – just as you are free to express your views however much I don’t like them or the general tenor of what you have been expressing. Equally, the Muslim protestors had the right to express their views too – as others have rightly pointed out.

Lets just not forget why, and how, it is possible for those freedoms to be expressed. Nor how many lives of British servicemen have been extinguished,over many years, to preserve that sacred right.

Yeas thats why I support the british troops there in the outscirts of the democracy and freedom…:confused:
And as everybody tends to be beggar poor nowadays in Iraq…
…or atleast those who generally get the terrrorism vibes…
…So It’s is highgly viable to say: “beat the terrorism out of the poor beggars”…;)

First, I had no idea that there was such a strength of feeling in our country. To hear such vehment allegations claiming that our troops were involved in atrocities shocked me. Yes, very much a minority view but powerful enough to provoke demonstrations.

Demonstrations by about 20 people, gathered from Luton, London, & probably elsewhere. They distributed about 20000 leaflets in Luton (Muslim population maybe 25-30000), but as far as I can see, only the organisers turned up.

I don’t see that as a “powerful” view.

The leaders, & some others present, are known to be ex-members of a now banned organisation – and only ex because the organisation has been banned, & therefore no longer exists.

This is a tiny handful of extremists.

Huh? But I’m all pro-british…And I fully support the troops down there, beating the terrorism out of the poor beggars:dev2:

My son is down there. I am proud of him. I support, 5000%, our troops. I believe most right thinking people do in the UK. What they have been sent to do, and the politics of it all, is another matter entirely. It does not follow that supporting our troops (ie encouraging them, respecting them, honouring the dead, saluting them all as heroes, helping the maimed and injured etc etc) means that one supports the war aims in Iraq, or the Governments stance on matters, nor in believing that the aims in Afghanistan are, perhaps, misguided and certainly under-resourced.

Gollevainen, because there are those who are willing to serve their country we (mostly) live in the West in freedom and with democracy. I think that extends to your country too, and enables you to travel freely and think and write freely and to vote freely. It would be as well that we all remember that. Yourself included.

Let me make one final point. My son is not down there “…beating the terrorism out of the poor beggars”. I find that remark in bad taste and offensive. Thats my view, and my prerogative to express it – just as you are free to express your views however much I don’t like them or the general tenor of what you have been expressing. Equally, the Muslim protestors had the right to express their views too – as others have rightly pointed out.

Lets just not forget why, and how, it is possible for those freedoms to be expressed. Nor how many lives of British servicemen have been extinguished,over many years, to preserve that sacred right.

As the Soldiers had FIXED BAYONETS I don’t think that anyone would have objected if the had used them on these objectors ???:dev2::diablo:

You’re really doing yourself no favours, Gollevainen. :rolleyes:

I think that’s an assumption too far, Ian.

It’s perfectly possible for a Finn to be anti-terrorist without being pro-British, you know.

Huh? But I’m all pro-british…And I fully support the troops down there, beating the terrorism out of the poor beggars:dev2:

I think that’s an assumption too far, Ian.

It’s perfectly possible for a Finn to be anti-terrorist without being pro-British, you know.

Possibly but it’s a strange assumption to make that because British troops are risking life and limb in far off countries, it’s harking back to the days of imperialism, which is the message we seem to get from Gollevainen’s posts.

Personally I don’t think we had any business going into Iraq the second time around, however we did and I fully support the troops (not the politicians). I think the war in Afghanistan is justified, whether it’s winnable is a totally different question.

I had the great pleasure of working in Lincoln today and seeing the Lincolnshire Poachers march unprotested through the town ,on their return home.

I think that’s an assumption too far, Ian.

It’s perfectly possible for a Finn to be anti-terrorist without being pro-British, you know.