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Quite how this thread has gone from “do members think there is room for improvement” to Doctor nationality, Euthanasia, Harrold Shipman, bitch fighting and facetious comments is beyond me.

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Jim.

With all due respect you’re talking utter rot again.

So, because the surgeon has difficulty in speaking English means that he can’t be any good at his job? Do you want to hear him speaking to you in a middle English accent or do you want your problem fixed? If he wasn’t here to do the job you would be on an even longer waiting list.

If you want your operation done quickly then just let the surgeon get on with it. Without nurses and doctors from many Countries the NHS would collapse.

As all you ever put up is anecdotal evidence I’ll reply in the same vein. During my recent health scare (and boy was I scared) I saw several doctors both in A&E and as outpatients. Not one of them was English, all were professional and all were very good at their jobs. And when I was told that I hadn’t got cancer? He could have told me in Zongalese as long as there was someone to interpret.

It’s the result that matters. Remember with the problems you have had all this would have been moot 30 years ago as you’d have died suddenly anyway. Yes there are problems within the NHS, of course there are, but the problems are at least partly due to the success of the NHS. Now, unless you want to stop improvements in treatments which is accompanied by longevity, you just have to accept that people are doing their best on your behalf.

Failing that, perhaps you’d like to consider the flippancy of your remark on euthanasia?

Be careful what you wish for, an increasingly successful NHS will bring attendant problems regarding the availability of staff, equipment and medication.

Be careful what you wish for two, your ‘English’ might just have been Harold Shipman.

Regards,

kev35

Tick Tock. The countdown to locking this thread has begun 🙂

It was only a few weeks ago, and made headline news in nearly all the newspapers, it was also reported on the T.V. news that day.

But you still can’t provide a link to the story, despite the wide coverage it apparently received.

Can you remember the date?

I’ll have a search myself later on if you can remember the date.

…what I put on here,they are situations I have been through, what I have gone through/lived through in real life situations.

Ah, so you were physically present on six separate occasions when this woman gave birth, and have first hand knowledge of her home accommodation and the terms on which it is leased or rented?

Why didn’t you just say so from the start? :confused:

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For God’s sake Jim, if your PM’s are anything to go by then if anyone should be grateful and uncomplaining re the NHS it’s you!

Kev. I agree, I owe the NHS more than quite a lot.But, and it’s a good but, we need more, better quality of Drs Surgeons in the NHS.
This last Monday, I saw my Urologist, the one who is going to do my operation later this month. When he came into the room he had an English nurse with him, the reason was, I found out, was that his spoken English was so bad, that the nurse had to tell me what he was saying, so I could understand him.Would you feel confident regarding this man operating on you?.
If you say you want an English surgeon to do it, you would be very hard pressed at this hospital, as most are from the East.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

[QUOTE=Grey Area;1774353]You can’t provide a link or any other evidence to back the story up though, Jim?

It was only a few weeks ago, and made headline news in nearly all the newspapers, it was also reported on the T.V. news that day.
I am sure if you need proof, a little research would help you to find the answere you are seeking.I can assure you, I do not just sit here and make things up. Nor do I have to rely on Google or Wiki to post answers, what I put on here,they are situations I have been through, what I have gone through/lived through in real life situations.I have just looked at the Office Of National statistics, which if I am reading it correctly, some 333.000 foreign women come here to have their babies at a cost of over £700.00 per baby,Then they have “Dissapeared” or in other words, gone back to their home country, they also come here from America for the same reason according to official statistics, not me.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Kev’s earlier post points up the terrible 21st century dilemma. That the availability of drugs and care at ever increasing cost enables all of us to live better and longer thus increasing further the cost to us all to enable us to live better and longer.

Hands up! I accept my naivete in missing the significance of those four words ” since the general election”. I was more interested in the comment per se.

The fact is, is that the NHS was used to deliver her 6 children, and now being given leave to stay here, her children, as they grow up, unless they remain in a 100% state of good health, will also use our NHS services…..

You can’t provide a link or any other evidence to back the story up though, Jim?

I am disappointed.

….But I imagine your answere to that would be euthanasia.
just to cut the numbers down.

I’d appreciate it if you didn’t try to put words into my mouth.

I’d also appreciate it if you didn’t ever again try to put words like that into my mouth.

There really isn’t any need for it.

I had forgotten that you need to emphasise a political element to much of what you contribute.

You were the one that chose a statement with a political element. Not me.

I didn’t choose the date of the general election as the starting point for a set of statistics; Sir Richard Thompson, President of the Royal College of Physicians did that.
Why did he choose that date for his statement – is that not political? Or maybe he chose a random date that happened to be the General Election date. I somehow doubt it.

Plus, we have an elderly population who through no fault other than their age are also spending more time in Hospital due to age related illnesses. But I imagine your answere to that would be euthanasia.
just to cut the numbers down.

Lincoln .7

Make your mind up! The only reason older people are living longer is BECAUSE of the efficacy of the NHS. Improvements in medical science have meant that illnesses that would have resulted in an early death 50 years ago are now easily treated and conditions controlled. For instance, an elderly person might be taking a whole cocktail of medications to either control conditions or alleviate symptoms, something to reduce blood pressure, diuretics, beta-blockers, something to stimulate and contol heart rhythm, maybe something for diabetes, Aspirin or Warfarin as an anti-coagulant. It’s common now and these have all played a part in extending not only the quality of life but the life expectancy of the elderly.

For God’s sake Jim, if your PM’s are anything to go by then if anyone should be grateful and uncomplaining re the NHS it’s you!

Regards,

kev35

I had forgotten that you need to emphasise a political element to much of what you contribute. I was merely posting an interesting comment by a senior medical officer on a pertinent thread. If you deduce from that that that it is the Government’s policies which have suddenly transformed the situation then that is your prerogative.

I’m sorry, did you not read your own post?

Let me highlight it for you.

“He spoke out as Department of Health statistics showed the proportion of inpatients waiting more than 18 weeks for treatment has risen by 29 per cent since the general election, with those needing orthopaedic or brain surgery experiencing the worst delays.”

I’m sure it’s only coincidence that waiting lists have increased under the Tories and I’m certain it’s coincidence that waiting lists reduced under the last Labour administration. Pure fluke I reckon.

Coincidental with what?:confused:

Pure coincidence I’m sure……

Back on thread I saw this, this morning:

“Sir Richard Thompson, President of the Royal College of Physicians, said medics are struggling to cope with rising demand especially among the elderly, with the result that planned tests and operations are being delayed.
He spoke out as Department of Health statistics showed the proportion of inpatients waiting more than 18 weeks for treatment has risen by 29 per cent since the general election, with those needing orthopaedic or brain surgery experiencing the worst delays.”

Gooney Bird – yes, but one WITH OIL!!:diablo:

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calm down lads… calm down.

The fact is, is that the NHS was used to deliver her 6 children, and now being given leave to stay here, her children, as they grow up, unless they remain in a 100% state of good health, will also use our NHS services.
I also seem to remember we had erradicated T.B. in this Country, but due to all the Immigrants living here now, it has come back with a vengance, yet another drain on our NHS. Plus, we have an elderly population who through no fault other than their age are also spending more time in Hospital due to age related illnesses. But I imagine your answere to that would be euthanasia.
just to cut the numbers down.

Lincoln .7

No doubt you can provide a link, or other reference, to this shocking story so that we can all be outraged together?

Evidence notwithstanding, what in blue blazes has the the kind of accommodation inhabited by this alleged lady of yours to do with the NHS anyway?

Looks like another decent thread is about to disappear up its own fundament. :rolleyes: