Just had to get this off my chest, as it seems to crop up time after time, in real life and on here, the question being this.
Do you think that people who, on a Friday or Sat night, and get stoned, or take drugs in such a quantity, and as a result have to be taken to Hospital to be treated, should pay for the treatment they recieve?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7.
By: Lincoln 7 - 7th June 2011 at 17:18
If you fell ill with a smoking related disease should you pay for that? It was your choice to smoke wasn’t it? What about those that have car accidents or bike accidents – well that was their choice wasn’t it? Somebody that gets hurts bungee jumping or skydiving – that’s their choice as well.
As Skyhigh says, it is impossible to draw a line anywhere.
Hi Arthur. It was as you say, my choice to smoke, and as such, I would expect to pay for treatment.
Car accidents, if not your fault, sue the other driver if you have to have private medical treatment.to pay for, I did.
I am afraid I do know where to draw the line, if it’s through your, figativly speaking fault through doing something you know could well injure you, but go ahead and take a chance, then I am sure you may well be able to Insure against that eventuality.But I doubt if any Insurers would insure anything idiotic whereby they may have to pay out.ie, drink, drugs etc.
The question you have to ask yourself, is can what I am doing going to cause sickness, illness or injury to myself. If the answer is yes, then don’t do it.But thats only my opinion, and I respect your opinion on this topic as I respect others. After all, it’s only a question, and not worth getting steamed up about, guess it’s called freedom of speech Arthur.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: kev35 - 7th June 2011 at 17:12
So Lincoln.
Anyone injured in a car accident through drinking or excessive speed or a pedestrian knocked down when jaywalking (horrible expression) should have to pay for their treatment.
Perhaps you envision a society in which those you describe should be treated differently. Perhaps the medics code of Airway, Breathing and Circulation should be prefixed by Credit Card?
Regards,
kev35
By: glojo - 7th June 2011 at 17:11
but last August, went cold turkey and gave up.I was on 30 a day for years. It has been medicaly proven that giving up smoking is harder than giving up heroin.
Hi Lincoln,
I used to smoke a similar amount of cigarettes and although I have NEVER been a heroine addict, I am addicted to morphine!! So been there and done it :eek::confused:
I had better VERY quickly explain my last.
For years I have been on morphine medication and after taking this medication for a period of time the patient unfortunately becomes addicted hence my comment.
Now the reason for my waffle is that to improve my quality of life I have cut back on my medication, the result being I am now in more pain than when taking the prescribed dosage but I am at least able to have an alleged intelligent conversation. However cutting back on the morphine meant going through what we call ‘cold turkey’ and trust me there is NO COMPARISON between this and the craving for a cigarette. The need for a puff is frustrating and can make the individual irritable, but cold turkey is just plain ‘oink’
Think of severe flu (not man flu) and then add a bit of discomfort on top of that. Screwing yourself up into the fetal position, get cramps in your legs, be all horribly sweaty and nauseous and you are starting to think about ‘cold turkey’ I am describing my symptoms and PLEASE do not think I am defending addicts that are addicted to taking illegal substances! I am NOT.
Right onto the nitty gritty of your post.
I can understand where you are coming from but perhaps disagree with the stand you take.
Might I suggest instead that we consider it an offence to get ‘Drunk and Incapable’ or the alternative of being ‘Drunk and Disorderly’
I hate it when folks inflict this condition on themselves and then take up valuable medical resources but we are where we are and have to deal with what we have.
Could we not consider placing these drunkards in a police cell and only if their condition warrants medical attention they receive it?
Once the person has received medical treatment then we cart them off back to my cell :diablo::diablo::diablo:
For what I have planned it will be all the better if they are sober because the only clothing they will have access to is a PINK boiler suit. If they needed medical treatment then I am guessing their condition was such that they were stripped off and put into a medical gown… That to would be pink (to embarrass them) When they leave hospital they are dressed in the pink boiler suit, they then have to scrub clean all soiled areas they or their like have defaced. Then once that is done they will be chained and taken into town where they will scrub down shop doorways, footpaths and any other locations that have been defaced!! Once the officer in charge is happy that all is clean and smelling of roses the culprits will go back to the police station where a decision would be made about any further punitive action!
I am just one of those that believe we should treat all NHS contributors to the service equally.
I keep wondering if I am too liberal to be Home Secretary :rolleyes::diablo:
By: Sky High - 7th June 2011 at 16:53
I refer you to Arthur’s post above.
By: Lincoln 7 - 7th June 2011 at 16:49
I hope I’m not being silly, but rational. Yes, I do know what you are trying to say, but it wouldn’t work. Which is the question you asked us. And my answer, again, is no.
Pete. Perhaps you would explain why it wouldn’t work, Accidents at home, I will agree that point with you. but self induced or inflicted no. if they have to pay, an attachment to earnings by Magistrates, if unemployed, take it out of their dole money.
Jim.
Lincoln. 7
By: Arthur Pewtey - 7th June 2011 at 16:46
If you fell ill with a smoking related disease should you pay for that? It was your choice to smoke wasn’t it? What about those that have car accidents or bike accidents – well that was their choice wasn’t it? Somebody that gets hurts bungee jumping or skydiving – that’s their choice as well.
As Skyhigh says, it is impossible to draw a line anywhere.
By: Sky High - 7th June 2011 at 16:43
I hope I’m not being silly, but rational. Yes, I do know what you are trying to say, but it wouldn’t work. Which is the question you asked us. And my answer, again, is no.
By: Lincoln 7 - 7th June 2011 at 16:41
Sky High. Pete, don’t be silly, you know full well where I am coming from on this, the youngsters who binge drink, the druggies who go comatose and need valuable Hospital treatment.
Believe me, the times I was called to our local hozzy when I was a Copper to sort some P*** artist out,when he was striking out at Drs and nurses who were trying to treat them, you have to be there any any weekend to see it.
If they can afford to get stoned out of their minds, and get high on drugs, they can afford treatment to possibly save their lives.at Hospital, where surgeons, Drs, and nurses have better things to do.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: Sky High - 7th June 2011 at 16:28
Linc – I think the difficulty of your position on this is where to draw the line at refusing treatment to someone who requires it for anything for which they are responsible.
Most accidents happen in the home and all are the individual’s responsibility. Unless you are blaming the faulty ladder for which the manufacturers’ deny responsibility.
It would be a minefield and totally unworkable.
By: Lincoln 7 - 7th June 2011 at 16:27
Jim, if you’re being charged money everytime you go out over the weekend perhaps you ought to stop getting drunk and smoking weed, stay in and watch the telly, mate.;)
Baz
Baz. Just because your too old to surf anymore at Newkey, as you say, don’t spoil my weekend.:p
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: Lincoln 7 - 7th June 2011 at 16:23
No – I agree. However I do think that there are things for which people should pay, as is common almost everywhere else.
Pete, on what do you agree on?, not very clear on your standing on this.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: Lincoln 7 - 7th June 2011 at 16:21
No.
Their weakness is as much an illness as anything with a more physical cause.
Moggy
Moggy, with respect, a load of rubbish. From 13 yrs of age I smoked. I am 70 next month, but last August, went cold turkey and gave up.I was on 30 a day for years. It has been medicaly proven that giving up smoking is harder than giving up heroin.
As I stated on another post, no one puts a gun to their head and forces them, no more than anyone forced me to smoke.
Jim.
Lincoln .7
By: spitfireman - 7th June 2011 at 16:07
Jim, if you’re being charged money everytime you go out over the weekend perhaps you ought to stop getting drunk and smoking weed, stay in and watch the telly, mate.;)
Baz
By: Sky High - 7th June 2011 at 16:05
No – I agree. However I do think that there are things for which people should pay, as is common almost everywhere else.
By: Moggy C - 7th June 2011 at 15:48
No.
Their weakness is as much an illness as anything with a more physical cause.
Moggy
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