N.H.S.

If Lincoln and tornado insist that people be charged for their treatment then surely they should be in line for hefty, if retrospective, bills. Tornado for his stupidity on motorbikes, his smoking and heavy drinking and Lincoln for his 30 year history of smoking.

Cheques made payable to the NHS gents?

Regards,

kev35

Utter rubbish. Health Insurance will not guarantee a level of care for all. Oral H2O does NOT come on prescription. Ah yes, the good old days, when the surgeon did his ward round smoking a cigar, the iron lung was always well maintained and never squeaked, children and adults with learning disabilities had their notes marked with an acronym which stated they were not worth the bother, a significant cause of death in infants was failure to thrive. Yes they really were the good old days weren’t they? And the NHS WAS your helath insurance.

Regards,

kev35

Nail…..head……hit……

Is this another one of your badly worded stories? At face value, it sounds as though the surgeon left you in the middle of your operation. Or, more likely, do you mean your surgeon was assigned to someone with more urgent need BEFORE he started your operation? As to who deserves the skills of the surgeon most, neither he, you or I are qualified to make a judgment on that. As to being bumped down a queue, that’s just simple prioritisation.

Regards,

kev35

As usual Kev you have got things wrapped around your neck. I didn’t say or state that I was in the middle of surgery when the surgeon had to make a choice between me and a drunk. And as for badly worded stories, I don’t seem to see you post anything worth talking about, just trying to big yourself up all the time, by running others down, if you can’t say anything nice about somewon then don’t say anything.
L.7

I didn’t and ended up in the carpet burns unit:eek:

” singed elbows are a mare !! “:dev2:

Sorry guys, but I must totaly agree with tornado 64 on this, his way of thinking.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

I might, if I could understand what he’s going on about.

Baz

I guess that Health Insurance, and paying up front like any other Insurance would solve the level of care, and whilst not decrying the care in the NHS at present, it would help stop those patients who are elderly and have to be prescribed water by a Dr to make sure they get it. It seems basic health care is slipping back into the dark ages. I well remember the days, when a Dr. had to ask Matrons permission to go onto her ward, to examine her patients.The GOOD old days.
Jim.

Lincoln .7
Jim.

Utter rubbish. Health Insurance will not guarantee a level of care for all. Oral H2O does NOT come on prescription. Ah yes, the good old days, when the surgeon did his ward round smoking a cigar, the iron lung was always well maintained and never squeaked, children and adults with learning disabilities had their notes marked with an acronym which stated they were not worth the bother, a significant cause of death in infants was failure to thrive. Yes they really were the good old days weren’t they? And the NHS WAS your helath insurance.

Regards,

kev35

i know fast riding was dangerous i slowed down

I didn’t and ended up in the carpet burns unit:eek:

you are being operated on by the only surgeon on duty, and a person the worse for drink, had fallen and had a bad accident and needed the surgeon who was operating on you was needed for the drunk, who do you think deserves the skills of the surgeon.?.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Is this another one of your badly worded stories? At face value, it sounds as though the surgeon left you in the middle of your operation. Or, more likely, do you mean your surgeon was assigned to someone with more urgent need BEFORE he started your operation? As to who deserves the skills of the surgeon most, neither he, you or I are qualified to make a judgment on that. As to being bumped down a queue, that’s just simple prioritisation.

Regards,

kev35

and nurses did the cleaning, not contracted out to outsiders who don’t give a damn.
Lincoln .7

i have just attended a health and safety course for work on monitoring infection

but going back a few years ago when i supervised cleaners

we had one lad of foreign nationality who had to be told off every day

“NO !! RED CLOTHS ARE TOILETS ONLY !”” this was in a school but i can’t see hospital staff being any difrent

as greed sees less staff , paid less but expected to do more !!

[QUOTE=tornado64;1755862]but why shouldn’t people be charged for irresponsible behaviour ???

Sorry guys, but I must totaly agree with tornado 64 on this, his way of thinking.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

I guess this would help in bringing the population down insofar as the people without health insurance who become ill…………die.:(

No Baz, it would be the same as in the USA, those with Insurance get the best treatment, those with none still get treated at a “Lesser” Hospital, no one dies, you just get less than better treatment.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Baz. Thats a bit naughty, Matron made sure her nurses were well turned out, no leaving hozzy like they do these days in uniform to go shopping, and then go back onto the ward in the same uniform. and beds were changed regularly,and nurses did the cleaning, not contracted out to outsiders who don’t give a damn.
I have no trouble at all in seeing my Doctor, or indeed any doctor in the practice, guess you have a crap surgery. I certainly can’t complain.
No, sorry, but with Matron around, everything that had to be done WAS done.
I recently spent three days again in hozzy, and feel somewhat qualified to say, that I saw one day a civvie, female walk through my ward many times, seemingly with the same piece of paper, makes you think?. did me.I must say however, being a fully paid up member of 5 hozzies, I think there are one or two that could do with a good shake up.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

but why shouldn’t people be charged for irresponsible behaviour ???

i knew smoking was bad for me …….i gave up
i knew drinking heavily was bad for me …………i now drink very rareley
i know fast riding was dangerous i slowed down

if people are not getting the message after heart attacks , amputations , cancer and repeated advice and warnings from doctors why shouldn’t they pay ??

it seems to be a british thig that we have a god given right to free medical treatment no mater how we got there or how irresponsible we were

why should a mallingering no mark boozed up pratt be taking up a space when there could be a child with meningitis behind them losing valuable treatment time !!

Baz. I think we have yet to determin whether there would be an advantage of NO NHS and having it replaced by Health Insurance.
No one has brought this up YET! but I am sure somewon will, Pete?

Jim.

Lincoln .7

I guess this would help in bringing the population down insofar as the people without health insurance who become ill…………die.:(

in response to the motorcycle ( for instance ) there has always been a charge for treating RTA’S often goes through insurance

although beurocracy made it difficult to be paid

there is a new bill going through that is going to change that

to make it easier to charge !!

www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp98/rp98-108.pdf

I well remember the days, when a Dr. had to ask Matrons permission to go onto her ward, to examine her patients.The GOOD old days.

Its hard enough to see a doctor these days without some dinosaur reintroduced to stop him getting to you.:rolleyes:

Baz

It is and health insurance doesn’t solve everything it makes problems.Affordability and levels of care just to name a few.

I guess that Health Insurance, and paying up front like any other Insurance would solve the level of care, and whilst not decrying the care in the NHS at present, it would help stop those patients who are elderly and have to be prescribed water by a Dr to make sure they get it. It seems basic health care is slipping back into the dark ages. I well remember the days, when a Dr. had to ask Matrons permission to go onto her ward, to examine her patients.The GOOD old days.
Jim.

Lincoln .7
Jim.

..thought that’s what NIs is for, or am I missing something?

Baz

Baz. I think we have yet to determin whether there would be an advantage of NO NHS and having it replaced by Health Insurance.
No one has brought this up YET! but I am sure somewon will, Pete?

Jim.

Lincoln .7

We have only gone off-track because your question is too simplistic. And as many of us have pointed out you cannot separate injuries into those for which the individual is responsible and the rest. I like your phrase “inconvenience to NHS staff”.:rolleyes: They are there to treat ill and injured people however inconvenienced they might feel!! In fact if they do feel inconvenienced they are in the wrong job.

Sorry, Linc, you will not drag us away from the can of worms you have opened.:)

Your going to get a slap young man.;) When I say “Inconvenience to NHS Staff”, just imagine it’s a Friday night, and (Yes it does happen, it did to me at 23.00 hrs one night) you are being operated on by the only surgeon on duty, and a person the worse for drink, had fallen and had a bad accident and needed the surgeon who was operating on you was needed for the drunk, who do you think deserves the skills of the surgeon.?.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

I don’t anybody is getting het up.
Anyway. Back to the original question.

I don’t think it is getting off-topic either. Your original question asked whether those who deliberately choose to harm themselves should get treatment for free. Most, including myself, seem to be saying that it is impossible to make moral judgements on other’s lifestyles.

Or in other words

No.

Thanks Arthur, thats all thats needed.
Jim.

Lincoln .7