N.H.S.

Arthur, The NHS is a great system, however there are areas where great improvements are needed.Also some fine tuning.
A typical example recently seen by myself as a patient was when the day staff went off duty, the Phillipinos came in, I am sorry to say, that they made our nurses look terrible, nothing was too much trouble for them, eg, one of my drips needed changing during the day, I rang for a nurse several times, and was told it would be changed “Soon” 4 and a half hrs later it was.
When the night shift, Phillipinos came on, during the night, same thing, bag needed changing, job done immediately. Nothing was too much trouble for them.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Precisely.

Interesting how experience can give a different view on things. My experience is that the NHS is a vastly improved organization than that of 20 years ago and all I see is a government determined to screw it up for their own ends. No it isn’t perfect but no organization of the scale of the NHS can ever be so.
Any treatment myself or my family have needed has been based on our need, nobody judged our lifestyle, our habits or diet or past history to determine whether we were worthy of treatment. We were treated because we needed it. What a great system.

Lincoln.

You’re right, the NHS does need sorting. But health insurance would lead to at least a three tier system.

The first tier would be for those who can afford whatever fee the insurance agency requests.

The second tier would be those who can afford to pay a limited amount.

The third tier would be those who can’t pay at all.

The best staff would go to the hospitals with the best facilities and paying the best salaries. This would further degrade any remaining healthcare system. At the end of the day it would mean patients (not clients or customers) would be treated according to their ability to pay rather than their need for treatment.

I don’t know the answer, but I really don’t think health insurance is the answer.

Regards,

kev35

Baz. For the information of those who continue to “Quote” me wrongly,NOT YOU, I didnt give up smoking because I had to, as if the person who has indicated I did would for once get his facts right, I went into hozzy last Aug with a bladder problem, as it was a no smoking hospital, I decided I would go cold turkey and pack up, NOT because I had to. My admittance to hozzy had nothing to do with smoking.
Jim

Lincoln .7

Its at times like this I wish I’d listened to what my mother said to me when I was a little boy!

..probably in a hospital two counties away….

Jim, I’ve seen this arguement close-up and personnal with the Coastguard and on the receiving end with recent illness. All I can see with your world is a ‘them and us’ society, those with insurance and those without.

As for paying for ‘irresponsable behaviour’, we do already, we voted them in.

baz.

Baz. I know exactly where your coming from, I am just as well as the original post’ trying to figure it out, what would be the best possible way forward as regards care for those in hozzy, both have their merits, but the NHS is in a pretty poor state at the moment’ and needs sorting ASAP.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

tornado.

Here’s a shocker, to an extent I agree. But giving up when you know you have a problem is different to not having increased your own risks in the first place. But that shouldn’t make a difference. Sorry to single Lincoln out again but he is a perfect example of the NHS doing exactly what it should, treating a person on the basis of need, not casting them aside because their previous lifestyle is a contributing factor.

And I’ve been the staff being assaulted by the same old drunks on a regular basis.

Regards,

kev35

So, having a pop at me, again, neatly avoids you having to consider my comment re pancreatic cancer. You say if it’s people’s own fault thay are ill they should pay. I disagree. You should be treated just the same as anyone else. The core on which the NHS was founded was that care should be free at the point of delivery. And, if health insurance is a cure all for the ills of the NHS (or even private health care) why do you choose to be treated in NHS hospitals?

It’s wrong for us as individuals to assign blame or to judge people over the how’s and why’s they are ill.

it is, the way it is, and there but for the grace of God goes anyone of us.

Regards,

kev35

No Baz, it would be the same as in the USA, those with Insurance get the best treatment, those with none still get treated at a “Lesser” Hospital, no one dies, you just get less than better treatment.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

..probably in a hospital two counties away….

Jim, I’ve seen this arguement close-up and personnal with the Coastguard and on the receiving end with recent illness. All I can see with your world is a ‘them and us’ society, those with insurance and those without.

As for paying for ‘irresponsable behaviour’, we do already, we voted them in.

baz.

Lincoln.

You have my sincere apologies. Imisread your 30 a day comment. However, I believe you said you had pacreatic cancer? If so, then surely you are aware that smoking more than 25 cigarettes a day increases the risk of you developing pancreatic cancer? Therefore, the likelihood is that your smoking is at least a contributory factor to the illness.

Cheque payable to the NHS?

Regards,

kev35

but as he has quoted he’s given up knowing the problem … the past has gone

but why should others not pay when the behaviour is continued flouting advice

i have watched the same old drunks assaulting staff on a regular basis

and cancer patients backwards and forwards to the doors for a sly baccy !!

USA Today stated that the average cost of medical insurance for a family of four in 2009 was over $13,000.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2009-09-15-insurance-costs_N.htm

Is that sustainable here in the UK? Where it seems most people can’t even afford their prescription costs?

Regards,

kev35

Lincoln.

You have my sincere apologies. Imisread your 30 a day comment. However, I believe you said you had pacreatic cancer? If so, then surely you are aware that smoking more than 25 cigarettes a day increases the risk of you developing pancreatic cancer? Therefore, the likelihood is that your smoking is at least a contributory factor to the illness.

Cheque payable to the NHS?

Regards,

kev35

Whatever, I refuse to rise to people who get their facts continualy wrong, there has been too much arguing and falling out on this forum lately, and I for one am not adding fuel to the fire.
Carry on Kev, but you will be only talking to yourself, don’t ruin a perfectly good forum by your attitude problem.
L.7

Lincoln.

On the list. It’s a term used by people who work in the NHS to prescribe the order of surgery at any given time. You were on the list because you were having surgery, you were replaced on the list because someone, for whatever reason, had a greater and more urgent need. That’s all it means.

Regards,

kev35

Lincoln.

You have my sincere apologies. Imisread your 30 a day comment. However, I believe you said you had pacreatic cancer? If so, then surely you are aware that smoking more than 25 cigarettes a day increases the risk of you developing pancreatic cancer? Therefore, the likelihood is that your smoking is at least a contributory factor to the illness.

Cheque payable to the NHS?

Regards,

kev35

Lincoln.

Go and look up prioritisation in the dictionary. People are treated, and therefore prioritised, on the basis of need. You were obviously seen as less urgent than the person who replaced you on the list. Thet’s not your fault, it’s not the surgeons, but you can’t be the judge of who receives what treatment and in what order any more than I can.

As for gravel rash, I’ve seen it, and treated it, and it was me who took the drain out of his stump after he had an above knee amputation. A large motorbike, high speed and shorts put him in that position. Would any of you like to go and give him a bill for his treatment?

Regards,

kev35

Once again, I havn’t a clue as to what your on about.and don’t realy care if I am honest.As for lists, what list?.
L.7

If Lincoln and tornado insist that people be charged for their treatment then surely they should be in line for hefty, if retrospective, bills. Tornado for his stupidity on motorbikes, his smoking and heavy drinking and Lincoln for his 30 year history of smoking.

Cheques made payable to the NHS gents?

Regards,

kev35

the trouble is though that i see it is fair to treat people for one off accidents or illnesses that are not thier fault

but i attend hospitals and observe the same old soaks causing trouble whilst being treated

i see cancer patients choking and near death saying ” it’s my only pleasure !”

” what ? having legs amputated and dying ? “

and if you are proved at fault for an RTA through stupidity why not

yes i had many injuries through motorcycles but only once did i get treated

the rest i did myself ( chemists are marvellous and have a superb range !! )

and even butterfly stitches are pretty easy to do yourself

why should i take up valuable space if i have been a pr**k

If Lincoln and tornado insist that people be charged for their treatment then surely they should be in line for hefty, if retrospective, bills. Tornado for his stupidity on motorbikes, his smoking and heavy drinking and Lincoln for his 30 year history of smoking.

Cheques made payable to the NHS gents?

Regards,

kev35

WRONG AGAIN, where do you get it from, I was smoking for more than 30 yrs. also I packed up last August. I wish you would get your facts right before you post such stupid remarks.
L.7

Lincoln.

Go and look up prioritisation in the dictionary. People are treated, and therefore prioritised, on the basis of need. You were obviously seen as less urgent than the person who replaced you on the list. Thet’s not your fault, it’s not the surgeons, but you can’t be the judge of who receives what treatment and in what order any more than I can.

As for gravel rash, I’ve seen it, and treated it, and it was me who took the drain out of his stump after he had an above knee amputation. A large motorbike, high speed and shorts put him in that position. Would any of you like to go and give him a bill for his treatment?

Regards,

kev35

” singed elbows are a mare !! “:dev2:

we’re back on the same wave length!:D