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Operation Mincemeat

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11887115

BBC Sunday night are showing a documentary, I recently read the Ben Macintyre book (and watched the old film), it’s a terrific tale from WW2 and while well known, in my view its worth a revisit.

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By: Lincoln 7 - 24th May 2011 at 12:20

DOH!! Should have gone to Specsavers,
Cheers Pete.
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By: Sky High - 24th May 2011 at 12:03

CD mentioned it in #31. Highly recommended and very detailed.

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By: Lincoln 7 - 24th May 2011 at 11:34

Sky High. Pete, this is a new book not mentioned here before, what sort of info does it contain, or is it a “True story?”.
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By: Sky High - 24th May 2011 at 11:29

Dr Jones’ book, which I first read years ago is completely absorbing. In fact now that I have been reminded of it I must find another copy.

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By: Lincoln 7 - 24th May 2011 at 11:24

“Operation Mincemeat”is out in paperback ,I bought a copy some weeks ago.

Hi, Many thanks for the info, however, I would like to find the film on DVD if possible, but the book will have to suffice if the search for a DVD fails.
Thanks again.
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By: Lincoln 7 - 24th May 2011 at 11:19

The Guardians bookshop has Churchills Wizards book for sale, at a price of about £8.00. something, however you “Save” £2.00. buying from them.
I seem to remember that we dropped hundreds of small dummy Paratroopers, on one or two raids, brilliant idea in it’s conception, anyone add any info on this one?.
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By: wl745 - 24th May 2011 at 04:00

Mincemeat

“Operation Mincemeat”is out in paperback ,I bought a copy some weeks ago.

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By: Creaking Door - 24th May 2011 at 01:49

There must be other (better?) books about the ‘gadgets’ but these are the only two I can recommend on (or near) this subject.

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By: Lincoln 7 - 24th May 2011 at 00:08

Hi C.D. Thanks, I will get on to it 1st thing in the Morrow.

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By: Creaking Door - 23rd May 2011 at 23:58

Has anyone any idea as to whether anyone ever wrote a book as regards what we are talking about?

Churchill’s Wizards by Nicholas Rankin is very good for an overview of British Intelligence wartime deception.

I would also recommend ‘Most Secret War’ by Dr R.V.Jones which deals with ‘scientific intelligence’ during the war (radar, radar deception, radio bombing aids and the discovery of the German V-weapons rather than the cloak-and-dagger gadgets).

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By: Lincoln 7 - 23rd May 2011 at 23:36

Has anyone any idea as to whether anyone ever wrote a book as regards what we are talking about?.
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By: Richard gray - 23rd May 2011 at 22:55

These are the place where they made the gadgets.

The 007 factor
To give agents an edge in combat SOE employed budding scientists to invent unique weapons of war.
At The Frythe, a secluded house near Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire university graduates invented devilish devices such as the single-shot cigarette pistol and the Sleeping Beauty – a submersible canoe. SOE workshops also created carborundum – an abrasive grease when smeared on the right spot could bring a locomotive to an immediate standstill.
In North London, The Thatched Barn, a former roadhouse, became the headquarters of the ingenious Camouflage Section run by film director Elder Wills. Here an army of ex-prop makers were put to work creating countless illusions out of papier maché or plaster – many of them deadly!
One tree trunk mould might conceal radio equipment but another shaped like a piece of camel dung hid a booby trap that could blow the tyre off an enemy truck.
Other branches of this backroom operation included the False Documents Section where agents collected their bogus identities and even a fashion company that outfitted agents with suits and dresses cut to the Continental style.

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By: tornado64 - 23rd May 2011 at 22:49

Exploding camel dung…..it doesn’t get much dirtier than that! :diablo:

the original ” dirty bomb !”

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By: Richard gray - 23rd May 2011 at 22:39

How did the Arabs and Germans use camel dung.

http://www.rense.com/general4/bac.htm

Warning! those of a nervious stomach have sick bag ready.:eek:

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By: Mark Hazard - 23rd May 2011 at 20:57

I didn’t know that Ian Flemming of 007 fame was in MI5 until I watched the docu.
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Haven’t watched it yet (still on hard drive from its initial showing last year – need a lot of time off to catch up), so not sure how Fleming was portrayed, but he was in Naval Intelligence rather than MI5, so there was probably a certain amount of inter-departmental co-operation.

As regards the exploding poo and rats, I saw MANY years ago a book that included details of how these mines worked – too long ago to remember title etc. The coal mentioned was included with the real stuff at railway depots, so as to sabotage them.

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By: Lincoln 7 - 23rd May 2011 at 18:04

Bruggen130, and Sky High. Both of you, many thanks for that information, very interesting ploy to use. These, and there are no doubt many more out there are exactly what I am looking for. Thanks again guys.
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By: Sky High - 23rd May 2011 at 17:34

Lancs and Stirlings from 3 squadrons altogether, I think. They flew in a complex and highly accurate series of interwoven dog-legs, the resulting window showing on radar as a large fleet of ships moving at 6 knots towards the French coast.

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By: Bruggen 130 - 23rd May 2011 at 17:04

617

Didn’t 617 sqd spend D-Day dropping window between Dover and Calais.

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By: Lincoln 7 - 23rd May 2011 at 15:49

PeDee. I did see a film recently re the things they did prior to the “D” day landings, inflateable Tanks, Aircraft, troop movements etc. Whats the old saying, “Necessity is the mother of invention?”.
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By: Lincoln 7 - 23rd May 2011 at 13:37

Yep, got to agree on that point Moggs, as thats how I got mine…Simples Eh?

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