Police Corruption

That is true to a point. How do we know now, or how can we ever truly believe, that anyone conducting enquiries is whiter than white? One would have thought that the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police would have been clear of any activity which would compel him to resign, but still he went. I think there’s a hell of a lot more of this still to come.

Regards,

kev35

Kev. Thread 5. it needs to be a totaly impartial body. I see the Met have now started their own internal enquiry, which is exactly what they should never be allowed to do.They protect their own.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

It does beg the question though, I wonder how much was known about this back then when Coulson was let go?

Or even how much was known when Coulson was employed, apparently against the advice of the Deputy Prime Minister.

Regards,

kev35

Al makes a good point, that at least in this country we can hold these people accountable.

That is true to a point. How do we know now, or how can we ever truly believe, that anyone conducting enquiries is whiter than white? One would have thought that the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police would have been clear of any activity which would compel him to resign, but still he went. I think there’s a hell of a lot more of this still to come.

Regards,

kev35

Personally I don’t think the Primeminister is as involved as that (though nothing will surprise me now!), he made a decision to get rid of Coulson, so he made an error of judgement in the first place but then did something about it – I can’t ask more than that of someone.
It does beg the question though, I wonder how much was known about this back then when Coulson was let go?

Just heard part of an interview in which Victoria Darbyshire asked Andrew Gilligan how people prepare themselves for answering questions posed to them by select committees. He replied that it was important to prepare yourself and think carefully about what you want to say in response to any questions asked.

Strange that, I thought the whole idea was to give an honest answer, not a carefully worded version of the truth.

The tentacles of all this seem to spread far and wide, perhaps even infiltrating areas of society we cannot imagine. Still begs an interesting question that if the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police felt compelled to resign over his association with Wallis, why does the Prime Minister not feel a compulsion to do the same over his association with Andy Coulson? Who here has shown the most indiscretion, the least lack of judgement in character?

Regards,

kev35

Pagen – a couple of points. Firstly this thread is about police curruption – there is another dealing with the whole hacking matter. Secondly, you suggest I am being defensive. Well perhaps that is your interpretation, but I would see it as my attempt to be as rational and objective as possible.

I quote first para from opening question…

I heard on the radio just now, the second Senior Police Officer has resigned pending the Parliamentary enquiry into the NOTW bribery, phone tapping allegation.

It might be worth merging the threads as one is clearly about the other.

I am just genuinely interested to know how there can be any defence for what’s going on, personally I can’t see how there can be and was just interested to hear another point of view.
Al makes a good point, that at least in this country we can hold these people accountable.

Pagen – a couple of points. Firstly this thread is about police curruption – there is another dealing with the whole hacking matter. Secondly, you suggest I am being defensive. Well perhaps that is your interpretation, but I would see it as my attempt to be as rational and objective as possible.

These sorts of events always generate huge amounts of probably understandably subjective, irrational reaction, and I suppose I am trying to counter that to some extent.

I do reiterate that those who are guitly of breaking the law, committing crimes must pay the maximum price. I cannot express it more strongly than that. As yet we have a few facts and copious amounts of hearsay and uncorroborated evidence, all of which needs to be disseminated into hard evidence on which to charge people.

To me, it’s great that the UK can still root out these high-paid parasites, and it shows nobody is above the law here.
In really corrupt countries where such behaviour is endemic and almost government policy, nobody would ever point the finger at them…

There are ‘bent’ humans in every profession/business

There are ‘bent’ humans in every profession/business.

Political correctness has made a police officer’s job almost untenable.

In the current context of phone hacking which all this furor is about, there are some that are getting off scot free.

For a moment consider what technology we are talking about.

Mobile and landline telephone numbers.

Who ultimately controls landlines and all mobile communication throughput ?

And who owns a hefty share within that one organisation? (They are non nationals)

For phone hacking to take place the major culprit is the organisation I am asking you to take the easiest guess at.

Other than the UK what developed nation with respect for their safety and sovereignty/democracy would permit such a vital organisation to have a large foreign share ownership.

It’s not just telephone hacking, this organisation is guilty of permitting or being involved in, it is the continuous lack of capacity planning which affects all businesses throughput (can be often the cause of crippling UK businesses who depend on IT networking).

Technically apart from ineptness many of the people employed in this organisation ‘know a little’ but not a lot about how their systems can be penetrated by people with malicious intent.

Of course telephone tapping can be authorised for serious anti-national (ie terrorist) and their should be a mechanism for that (which I am sure there is)

Telephone hacking is a completely different ‘ballpark’ – malicious intent rather than protecting peace/sovereignty.

Have you as yet guessed who the really guilty organisation is?

And if you have guessed correctly may I suggest that the organisation be the one in the dock on this crisis (and probably many others) with their directors facing jail.

Interflug – aren’t we in danger of exaggeration, if we even consider comparison with a banana republic?

Nope.
This is as bad as it gets and shows that our systems of power, protection, and information is riddled with corruption, it is of major public concern.
This isn’t simply about bent coppers, shoddy journalism, or easily impressed MPs anymore.
The sad thing is that Murdoch is at the very top of the triangle, yet he will get away with this as others fall on their career swords, take their lives, and live in the knowledge that their dead loved ones had their personal information hacked into.

This is a genuine question SH, you seem quite defensive over this matter here and in other threads, just out of interest what can possibly be said in the defence of the Journalists, police, and anyone else concerned with this scandal?

Interflug – aren’t we in danger of exaggeration, if we even consider comparison with a banana republic? Yes, what has happened is quite appalling and all those responsible have to pay the price, where the law has been broken, but in reality we are surely not implying that the majority of policemen are corrupt, are we?

The “bent” copper has been a feature of the landscape for decades – are they worse now that than they were? I have no idea but somehow I doubt it.

The worying aspect of the two resignations was the emphasis placed on the policing of the Olympic Games next year!! Yet another reason to add to the reasons for not holding the games here – sorry that’s another thread!!

I don’t think I would be far wrong if I said, that the Met Senior Officers will get off scott free, and be offered very lucrative jobs in some very large Corporate Company.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Didn’t the C.C. of Humberside go the same way?.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

A whitewash really bugs me, especially as it may prove not in many peoples interest for some information to come out.

This is a sad turn of events though.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14194623

As stated before, I just hope any internal Police enquiry is NOT carried out by any Senior Officer as is the usual. Otherwise it will be a whitewash.

Any enquiry needs to be done by an outside party, qualified to do the job with complete impartiality.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

My main questions are how far does this coruption and phone hacking thing go?, Who were being paid by the press? and what were they being paid for?.
It seems clear that it will involve very high ranking officers/detectives as they would be the ones with the valuable information etc.

With the two top Police officers resigning from the MET police over the last 2 days and politicians wincing rather a lot we can only assume much more is yet to come out and maybe more big people will fall.

ThreeSpool, If they face an enquiry and are foung guilty of corruption, they should lose all their Pension rights and benefits. They are at the top of the tree and should set the rest a good example, however, the Met seem to be able to get away with, metaphoricaly speaking , murder.

A classic example, and I will argue this until the cows come home, as I was there, was during the Miners strike, the Met sent up their men every week in about 15 to 20 Ford Transit vans. Many, stayed at RAF Dishforth, some weekends. On the last day of the strike, all Police Officers left wherever they were staying, the majority of the Met were at Dishforth. When they left, EVERY single T,V, set, bedding, and anything that wasnt nailed down was stolen.
Down the A1, they were all stopped by Lincs Police, all property recovered, and not a single arrest was made. But you drive at 32 mph in a 30, and you could get booked.
The Met, when I was a Copper had the worst reputation of any force.

Jim.

Lincoln .7.

Not stupid, are they?

No, and yes. No for keeping the benefits, and yes for getting themselves into that position.