I can remember when the UK could build almost anything the country needed, one used to be nuclear power stations, but that sadly is beyond us, as we now have to outsource to France and China.
The engineers, scientists & construction workers who use to build them for us are gone, and the expertise and know-how they had are lost to us, the only option left then is to shop abroad.
The government says it’s too expensive, but they can find money for the HS2, which nobody wants, the money for which would pay for another 2 NPP’s!
Here’s the reason why…
By: Bruggen 130 - 27th September 2015 at 11:38
Oh for heaven’s sake. Banging on about ‘this country’. No journalist could find anyone in Hungary, Austria or Greece who expressed any interest in coming to the UK at all! The majority wanted to go to Germany, some said Sweden or Norway. .
Sorry for as you call it “banging on about this Country” there is a reason for that you see it’s the only Bl&&dy country I care about, you say why would you train people to us these weapons, well for the same reason we trained the French resistance so they could help get their country back, how many ISIS terrorists do you think it would take to over run the army in this country?
By: charliehunt - 27th September 2015 at 10:56
Quite agree Moggy, although I am deeply offended at the suggestion I might be a “sponging wrinklie”!!
By: Moggy C - 27th September 2015 at 10:30
… it will add weight to Drs Surgeries, the NHS in general, the Welfare system,
In the real world the NHS and GP’s surgeries would grind to a halt without ‘immigrants’ who keep it running in the gaps between their AK47 training. The funding will come from having a younger population of working age paying tax and national insurance, rather than the sponging wrinklies of today (I can say that, I’m allowed).
Don’t believe everything you read in newspapers in the supermarket. If you do I hope you are stocking up with Damart long-johns as the Express is yet again predicting the worst winter in several million years.
Moggy
By: Lincoln 7 - 27th September 2015 at 10:19
Beermat. I was standing in a line at our local Supermarket, and saw the headline stating the number of new schools we will need. I am sure that some member on here will have had the paper that carried this story, so we may get to find out which one it was.Thinking back, I think the number of schools needed was nearer 1,500.Its not just only schools, it will add weight to Drs Surgeries, the NHS in general, the Welfare system, State Benefits, etc, etc, all of which is going to be funded by who?. It’s about time our Politicians took their Rose coloured glasses off, and entered the real world.
Jim
Lincoln .7
By: MrBlueSky - 27th September 2015 at 10:13
Funny isn’t it that I started this thread for people to discuss the fact that the UK is unable to build it’s own NPS.
But quickly it’s taken a new path leading into a brief discussion concerning HS2 and now has branched into another concerning the Syrian refugees and a worry that not all are seeking asylum in Europe from War in their own country, but that some might be covert ISIS sleepers…
Interesting time’s ahead it seems, have fun!
Stu.
By: Moggy C - 27th September 2015 at 10:13
Beermat, you are banging your head pointlessly against a brick wall.
No exposition of facts will overcome the “There will be millions, they will take all our jobs, sponge off the benefits system (Not quite sure how those two align), do terrorism in the evenings and impose sharia law on Tunbridge Wells”.
Best let those who believe the sensationalist gutter press to get on with it.
Nobody said it will be easy and that there won’t be frictions. But the Britain of Mrs Miniver long ago ceased to exist.
Moggy
By: Beermat - 27th September 2015 at 09:34
As many as 8? Surprising she had time, what with all the weapons training.
.. but seriously, which paper was that? It is one that assumes their readership is not capable of basic maths. Lets keep it simple and say a school roll of 400. So that’s 400,000 new places – for 20,000 immigrants. Or twenty children of school age for every one counted adult.
By: Lincoln 7 - 27th September 2015 at 08:49
Beermat. As far as I remember, it was the legal ones had not completed the “System” fully to be integrated into our society, and were allowed out on Bail, so as to speak.Thats when they disappeared, never to be seen again. So to make it easier, and start with a clean slate, all were granted amnesty.
I would love to be around in a few yrs time, to see just what has happened to the **** up thats happening now.
It’s O.K. letting a further 20.000 in, but does that include whole families in the count, most, from what I have seen on T.V. have more than one child, indeed, one Syrian woman had 6, and another had 8. In one of the Papers yesterday, it stated we will have to build over 1.000 new schools to accommodate these kids, yet we cannot even afford repairs to many schools we have at present, ie leaking rooves etc.
Whatever way you look at it, it’s going to cost a lot of money.And where is it coming from?.
Jim
Lincoln .7
By: Beermat - 27th September 2015 at 08:08
JG, Dave only has to offer 20,000 places. As refugees in need of a home, I am sure people will come. Might not be their first choice, or even been considered before, but I am sure 20,000 will accept. It might surprise some to know that I don’t actually think this is a good idea at all. We don’t have enough housing as it is, and if they’d rather be in Germany.. then I have to agree with the Eurosceptics on this one.
A caliphate is just a state run by a Caliph. Al-Bagdadi is a Caliph in the eyes of his followers.
Jim, confused as to why one would need to grant amnesty to a legal immigrant?
The picture behind the immigration stats in the ‘grey’ areas is a complex one, and we need to look to the world’s comfortable middle classes to see all of it. As an observation, the biggest ‘hole’ locally to me has been fake academia – Real institutions selling ‘courses’ for the kids of wealthy foreign parents. Locally the racket is to pay Anglia Ruskin ‘University’ to take the little darlings in Cambridge, so they can tell their friends at dinner parties that their kids are at Cambridge. The kids tend to stay on, at which point their legal status ranges from dubious to none.
However, because these are rich kids bringing (dad’s) money in, this is overlooked in the way that needy people are not – until someone asks for stats! A moral maze.. Discuss 🙂
By: Lincoln 7 - 26th September 2015 at 17:56
Beermat, Banging On?. You seem to forget that we had let 145.000 legal and illegals into this Country, but as usual, they got “Lost” in the system before they could be processed. As such, they were granted amnesty, to let them stay. Is there any wonder folks are a little more than annoyed, when we “MAY” be letting more in?.
Jim
Lincoln .7
By: John Green - 26th September 2015 at 17:49
So, if you’re correct, how on earth will Dave find the 20,000 Syrians he deems necessary to assuage the conscience of this country ?
May I humbly suggest paying more attention to the utterances of ISIL/Daesh for some up dates on what they see as desirable for the future of Europe.
It begins with the establishment of something called a Caliphate – Heaven knows what that is!
By: Beermat - 26th September 2015 at 17:04
Oh for heaven’s sake. Banging on about ‘this country’. No journalist could find anyone in Hungary, Austria or Greece who expressed any interest in coming to the UK at all! The majority wanted to go to Germany, some said Sweden or Norway.
When your forces are engaged on several fronts in the Middle East and Africa, why on earth would you train people in the use of AK47’s in these regions and then send them far away to a small island off the far coast of Europe?
Yes there is a terrorist threat. But running round barking like a guard dog confused by a squirrel doesn’t help.
By: Lincoln 7 - 26th September 2015 at 16:11
John
These people need to wake up and open their eyes to what’s happening to the west, It’s like the Siege of Troy without the Bl$$dy horse. the mindset of these migrants is we are coming to your Country and you can’t stop us.
I couldn’t agree more Bruggen, by the time this Country realises what’s happened, it will be too bleedin late. THEN what will we do about it?.
Jim
Lincoln .7
By: John Green - 26th September 2015 at 15:22
Bruggen 130
That is my opinion as a consequence of the media news and the ‘about turn’ announced by Angela Merkel and other member States of the EU.
By: Beermat - 26th September 2015 at 15:22
Sad, isn’t it?
By: Bruggen 130 - 26th September 2015 at 15:13
Bruggen 130
There are mindsets at play here. These mindsets tolerate no alleged expressions of alarm against the presence of migrants/refugees and the social disturbances brought about by their excessive numbers and the possibility of an increase in the threat of terrorist attack. The intent is to close down discussion and the expression of any opinion contrary to that of the mindset of the protestor.
John
These people need to wake up and open their eyes to what’s happening to the west, It’s like the Siege of Troy without the Bl$$dy horse. the mindset of these migrants is we are coming to your Country and you can’t stop us.
By: Bruggen 130 - 26th September 2015 at 15:05
No John. Saying that ‘most’ of them are weapons trained is just bollox. Nothing to do with ‘mindsets at play’, just nonsense.
You have no more proof that it’s Botox 🙂 than I do that it’s not. there was a news clip on you tube from a few weeks ago that said isis would flood the west with terrorist fighters as migrants, it was removed.
By: Beermat - 26th September 2015 at 14:21
Fair ‘nuf. Maybe I am a bit touchy these days.
By: John Green - 26th September 2015 at 12:09
Yes, of course. I thought it was the kind of exaggeration to which most of us, occasionally, are prone – including me. I thought it was just ‘tongue in cheek’. I would guess that Bruggen intended it to be read that way.
By: Beermat - 26th September 2015 at 11:49
No John. Saying that ‘most’ of them are weapons trained is just bollox. Nothing to do with ‘mindsets at play’, just nonsense.
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