Serial Killing in Ipswich

I don’t feel particularily sad for the guy who was released. He choose to go on a recording detailing his knowledge of the five women. He choose to visit the red light area . He has been released on Police bail – not released without charge – would you want him living next door to you?
As for the women – the details of what they did is irrelevant – they were murdered and thats all that matters. By being judgemental on them and viewing them as some kind of second class citizens gets away from the fact they were killed by some sad individual who we would be better off without.
This Christmas children will wake up without their mothers – parents will
mourn their children. Is it really in the spirit of human kind to think that we are any lesser or indeed any better than the person next to us?

(On Bail I believe), but more worryingly, with a permanent scar on his character, having had his face plastered over the tabloid and “serious” press, his character dissected in minute detail, and, in yet another idiotic move by our ever more moronic BBC*, has been heard discussing his personal “relationships” with the 5 women in question in an interview recorded with him for reference use, not for broadcast.

*I couldn’t believe the Jeremy Vine show today…

“If aeroplanes can fly at night, why can’t they fly in fog” was the main discussion topic.:rolleyes:

Sadly this is the dumbing down of news and the 24 hour news culture, The trouble is that there is no respect for the Innocent until proven guilty side of the law these days, it must be a nightmare for the police when they see the news revealing things that leave investigations in jeopardy.

(On Bail I believe), but more worryingly, with a permanent scar on his character, having had his face plastered over the tabloid and “serious” press, his character dissected in minute detail, and, in yet another idiotic move by our ever more moronic BBC*, has been heard discussing his personal “relationships” with the 5 women in question in an interview recorded with him for reference use, not for broadcast.

*I couldn’t believe the Jeremy Vine show today…

“If aeroplanes can fly at night, why can’t they fly in fog” was the main discussion topic.:rolleyes:

I wholeheartedly agree with all of the above, especially the “fog” query…..

Yours
Ren Frew, the BBC… :rolleyes:

meanwhile the 1st suspect has been released without charge.

(On Bail I believe), but more worryingly, with a permanent scar on his character, having had his face plastered over the tabloid and “serious” press, his character dissected in minute detail, and, in yet another idiotic move by our ever more moronic BBC*, has been heard discussing his personal “relationships” with the 5 women in question in an interview recorded with him for reference use, not for broadcast.

*I couldn’t believe the Jeremy Vine show today…

“If aeroplanes can fly at night, why can’t they fly in fog” was the main discussion topic.:rolleyes:

And now a second person…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6192085.stm

Who has tonight been formally charged with all of the murders, meanwhile the 1st suspect has been released without charge.

And now a second person…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6192085.stm

I thought the UK was supposed to be have less prostitution, homicide, etc after following what Sir Joseph kept proposing to Thatcher :rolleyes:

According to the BBC – they have arrested someone.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6189409.stm

Until the government start to get tough on all aspects of criminality in this country problems will continue to escalate. I do not want my two girls on drugs, I do not want them selling their bodies. I do not want them raped, mugged, assaulted, robbed…..and I don’t want them being led to believe that rich junkie scum who happen to be ‘celebrities’ (Docherty, Moss for example) should be lauded as an example to emulate. I don’t want them being fooled into thinking they should dress like sluts at the age of 8.

So, sorry to ruin this hand-wringing thread, but I have no intention of losing any sleep over the deaths of a handful of junkies who were killing themselves anyway.

Snapper.

I agree totally what you say about your daughters and believe all parents would feel the same including those whose kids sadly fell by the wayside and ended up on drugs etc, I don’t think many people ever want to be a prostitute they end up in such a role due to other curcumstances including drugs, It must also be pointed out that its supply and demand if no men were going out paying for sex there would be no prostitutes.
Its worth remembering that these were human beings killed here no matter what they did, And his next victim if he is not caught may not be a prostitute but somebodies wife or girlfriend.

The fact remains the death penalty is still not in force in this great land of ours and a return to it would be ni on impossable, given the majority of feeling about it.So when this person/persons are caught, we can study them over the remainder or thier natural lives, analyse the reasons why they were not caught sooner or if they fell through the detective proses ,why?.

Yes I’m anti death penalty, no I’m no bleeding heart libral.My life has been affected by hard drugs ,not just the personal assaults but by seeing good friends eaten by them,also working with families who have tried everything in thier power to halt drugs taking thier kids away,some times with great success most of the time NOT.
So before you tar them all “junkie scum” think about the few who with help and support of a few innocuous folk, live the remainder thier lives drug and alcohol free with loving families .Something these young girls will not be able to do.

… not “just” prostitutes…

That’s right. They were also junkies and thieves.

While I feel that they are being killed by a sicko who deserves the same fate, and I sympathise with their family on the loss of ‘their little girl’ I’d suggest that they were ‘lost’ a long time ago when they first started onto the hard drugs. Where were their families when their little girl needed them? What is it, 4 heroin users and a crackhead? ‘Suzanne’, another prostitute working that area has a £300 a day heroin habit. Funded partly through prostitution but also through shoplifting etc. She’s back on the street now, of course. How many of you have not referred to ‘junkie scum’ over the past few months/years? How many of you don’t think junkies are a scourge on ‘decent’ society?

1. Heroin = death.
2. Junkies = scum.

Until the government start to get tough on all aspects of criminality in this country problems will continue to escalate. I do not want my two girls on drugs, I do not want them selling their bodies. I do not want them raped, mugged, assaulted, robbed…..and I don’t want them being led to believe that rich junkie scum who happen to be ‘celebrities’ (Docherty, Moss for example) should be lauded as an example to emulate. I don’t want them being fooled into thinking they should dress like sluts at the age of 8.

So, sorry to ruin this hand-wringing thread, but I have no intention of losing any sleep over the deaths of a handful of junkies who were killing themselves anyway.

I went through a similar thing in the 70’s with the Yorkshire Ripper, people were really worried about the whole thing……..my mum still says to this day her and my Aunt were followed by him one night when they were coming home from a night out, he struck later that night two streets from where we used to live.

Where did you used to live???

Here in Leeds, a freind of my eldest sister was found in a childrens playground. Just 16 years of age too…..:(

My sister also sys she was convinced she saw Sutcliffe across a street on night….I dread to think……

The deaths of these 5 women brings back many of the Ripper case memories. He had the whole of the North of England terrified, esp Yorkshire and also Greater Manchester.

I used to be in favour of the death penalty too but have realised that there is always the possibility of an innocent person being executed for a crime they were nowhere near. Due to the fact that juries are made up of people which means they’re open to the human fallabilty factor inherent in all of us.

Fair point, Steve.

However, it is undeniable that Stefan Kiszko ( http://www.users.bigpond.com/burnside/kiszko.htm ) would have been executed if the death penalty were in force in the UK at the time. The tragically young murder victim would be no less dead for the execution and, to add to the horror and futility of the original crime, an innocent man would have been hanged and the real murderer would still be at large and free to kill again.

Individual cases, however heart-rending, cannot realistically form the basis of law that affects a whole nation.

Grey Area has a point here, although I used to be one of the hang em brigade, I have changed my mind.
There will always be deranged people who will kill others, and that’s a fact of life. Anyone can become a killer, if the circumstances are right to do so. That’s the problem really, if you kill someone in self defence, which might happen, then you might face the death penalty, if it’s on the statute books.
There is no simple answer to this problem, but the best one must surely be, to lock them up for a long time. The present situation in Britain regarding the human rights law, will cause irreversible damage to our society, if it continues the way it is.
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Fair point, Steve.

However, it is undeniable that Stefan Kiszko ( http://www.users.bigpond.com/burnside/kiszko.htm ) would have been executed if the death penalty were in force in the UK at the time. The tragically young murder victim would be no less dead for the execution and, to add to the horror and futility of the original crime, an innocent man would have been hanged and the real murderer would still be at large and free to kill again.

Individual cases, however heart-rending, cannot realistically form the basis of law that affects a whole nation.

Cases like the Mother in Ohio that put her baby in the microwave oven deserve the death penalty and nothing less
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16098514/

i hope they catch the weirdo who is doing this, people like that should be hung drawn and quatered.. 😡

Castrated with a rusty pair of pliers and no anaesthetic seems far more fitting to my mind.
I’m sure from reading this thread that I speak for all of us here. Our condolences go to, and our thoughts are with, those family and friends left behind.

Afraid i’m from the old school ….an eye for an eye….and none of this lethal injection namby pamby stuff,…. hang ’em fry ’em …whatever , but make it brutal and painfull… especially child killers

People who, unlike Pete_sj, actually know me would be more than a little amused by the idea of me as a “bleeding heart liberal”. :rolleyes:

If we, as a society, set ourselves up to stand in judgement of the actions of others then we must deal in justice. To my mind, the death penalty ie, the taking of a life for a life, is vicarious vengeance, not justice.

I believe that the absolute certainty of waking up alone in the same spartan cell, eating the same bland subsistence diet, wearing the same basic uniform and doing the same hard work to earn your keep, day in and day out for the rest of one’s life is a worse punishment than a swift clean death.

Someone in that position has ample opportunity to reflect on their personal responsibilty for their actions, unlike a hanged murderer.

If you do not want your life taken from you, don’t take it from someone else.

I’m curious to know whether, within the context of this clearly-stated principle, you would subject the judge and jury to whatever form of execution you prefer in the event of a miscarriage of justice turning out to result in the execution of an innocent man or woman?

I’ll support the return of the death penalty when someone can show me a murder victim who came back from the dead on the execution of their murderer, or can demonstrate to me that a miscarriage of justice leading to the taking of an additional innocent life could never happen.

It’s always curious to read this kind of bleeding heart liberal argument. What happens to personal responsibility? I’ve always been the type to believe if you are strong enough to intentionally take a life, then you are strong enough to have your life taken the same way. Does it give life back to the 1st person? No. But the murderer was the one who started this cycle. I’ve always believe in the rule of Karma. If you do not want your life taken from you, don’t take it from someone else.