Spain a Dead Certainty to Win Eurovision!

Lets call their bluff’s

Get say Adele to appear and sing a number in the vcompetitionjust before it is released as a “chart entry”.

If UK still ends up bottom but the number goes to the top of the charts, we then pull out ?

Not taking part in an event because you haven’t won for 15 years is one of the most pathetic excuses ever. Typical British paranoia to think the fiddle is somehow aimed at us. .

Sadly, it’s you who doesn’t get it; people want us out not because we haven’t won, but because it’s entirely predictable, before the event, that we won’t even get close. Spain awards Germany top marks; Germany awards Spain top marks, oh, what a surprise. Did it happen this year? Don’t know, don’t care, since the magic of waiting for the scores to be declared has gone, so I’d rather watch England playing, rather badly, against Norway; at least there was an even chance we’d score more than them.

So Arfur, What exactly do YOU think the reason is that we have never won in 15yrs.Feel free to fill several pages of excuses:)
I was very competetive in several areas of sports, and believe me, if I didn’t win every now and again, I would pack up, sit down and disect the reasons as to why I was so bloody useless, not keep on flogging a dead horse just for the sake of it.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I thought the football analogy was better but some didn’t understand it. :rolleyes:
Not taking part in an event because you haven’t won for 15 years is one of the most pathetic excuses ever. Maybe we should try a decent song/singer for a change – it certainly worked for Sweden. Typical British paranoia to think the fiddle is somehow aimed at us. I wonder if Norway, Denmark, France etc. feel as if it is a fiddle against them.
Maybe the UK were doing a “My Lovely Horse” to make sure they didn’t win. Well, it worked.

Rotten analogy, that; Scotland’s rugby team are always beaten by a better team, on the field, not by some faceless voters, hundreds of miles away. Not wanting to be a party to a fiddle is a perfect excuse for not entering.

Great minds think alike Edgar:D
Jim.
Lincoln .7

You don’t have to be interested in football. Let me try another question then. Do you say Scotland should stop entering the Rugby World Cup because they have never won it? Of course not. Not winning is a poor excuse for not entering.

Rotten analogy, that; Scotland’s rugby team are always beaten by a better team, on the field, not by some faceless voters, hundreds of miles away. Not wanting to be a party to a fiddle is a perfect excuse for not entering.

In interest has any of the more recent Eurovision winners had a big career in Europe afterwards?
I agree with J. Boyle that European artists have a hard time breaking into the market here and things might bode well with the latest winner as it seems scandinavian have broken into the UK charts better than most other European countries with ABBA,A-HA Bjork and Europe coming to mind.

I see your point Lincoln 7, that countries would chose to sing in their own languages, but in terms of any act hitting a mass market English would be the way forward. Agreed it would be a touch sensitive for some countries to sing in English but you can’t please all the people can you 😀

In all seriousness I do think the Eurovision has become a joke of a contest music wise, but the fact we are still talking about it shows it has a popularity.

We weren’t alone……..’they’ were doing it too;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervision_Song_Contest

Personaly, I.M.H.O. Why do we bother to enter year in year out. We know what is thought of our Country by Europeans, God only knows how many times we have been at war with a number of them.
I have a hunch, and thats all it is, is because we have too many ties with America.
Could be wrong, and frequently am, but there must be some reason.Like why do the Europeans get all the huge contracts that ONCE we did?.
Gissa clue;)
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Instead of blaming the Americans, perhaps the rest of Europe is a bit jealous.
For 50 years the UK has ruled the rock and pop world.
Any Euro-resentment would likely be from that rather than politics.

Seriously, how many Euro acts have the worldwide following of UK musical performers?
Aside from U-2 and Abba, I can’t think of many that are known outside their own borders. Some may have a brief moment of glory on the UK charts, but hardly massive international appeal and staying power.

The song contest gives these countries a chance for their moment in the sun…so nationalism/resentment rules.

I do not think its about winning or not winning. Its more about the fact the voting system etc is weighted so many countries including the UK stand no chance of winning or even coming close. Thats no in the spirit of competition at all, even in football or rugby an underdog can win.

restructure it so nationality is not known until after the voting or ditch it as a dated thing no longer up to purpose.

The only problem I can see with that, is that each Country would sing in their National tongue, so that would give the game away.ie, not naming the singer/s Nationality until after the voting.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

It might be a dated thing but an event that attracts 125 million viewers isn’t going to stop anytime soon.

I do not think its about winning or not winning. Its more about the fact the voting system etc is weighted so many countries including the UK stand no chance of winning or even coming close. Thats no in the spirit of competition at all, even in football or rugby an underdog can win.

I understood we are a buy in to the finals as we invest so much into it each year. It would make sense to pull out of the whole thing and I am sure people from other countries feel the same about it.
Either restructure it so nationality is not known until after the voting or ditch it as a dated thing no longer up to purpose.

@Lincoln 7
I don’t think there is much chance of the BBC pulling out of Eurovision as I hear they receive rather large sums of money from the European Union!

Care to put a figure on it PPP ?
Some people seem to think that eurovision has nothing to do with the eu and that it costs the good ole taxpayer nothing to put on this ‘artistic delight’ for our ‘enjoyment’…

rgds baz

Arfur. Being half Scot myself, I claim the 5th on that, however if joe public wishes to spend their hard earned on watching/going to Rugbby or Football matches, then so be it.
I don’t know if you watched “This morning” today on TV, but most Brits it would appear seem to think it’s a complete waste of money. Philip Schofield phoned the BBC up. and asked them what it cost them, surprisingly they refused to answer.I do not believe it’s a case of not enough votes, it’s all political, and when things get like that, as far as I am concerned, its time to drop it.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

@Lincoln 7
If he put his hand in his pocket to fund our entry then it wouldn’t be admissable. The music must be non-commercial, which is another factor in why we do so badly, despite having probably the best music industry in Europe. Of course the other way of looking at it is, we have the best music industry in Europe, so we win every other day of the year!

I don’t think there is much chance of the BBC pulling out of Eurovision as I hear they receive rather large sums of money from the European Union!

@Arthur Pewtey
Talented sportsmen vs talentless singers?

You don’t have to be interested in football. Let me try another question then. Do you say Scotland should stop entering the Rugby World Cup because they have never won it? Of course not. Not winning is a poor excuse for not entering.

Arfur, In answer to your question,Yep, I am not, or ever been interested in football, perchance it’s because of the obscene wages they “Earn”.:rolleyes:

Jim.

Lincoln .7

Well out of the “big 5”, Italy, Spain, France, Germnay and the UK, the UK has done all right.
Spain hasn’t won it since 1969 and France since 1977. I wonder if they all moan about not winning.

England hasn’t won the World cup since 1966. Do you think they should stop entering because they haven’t won it recently?

Good old British thinking though – we don’t want to play any more because we always lose.

So Arthur, be honest, (What, on this forum :D), IF you had to put YOUR hand into your own pocket and fund the British entry year in and year out, and, as usual we lost, you would be quite prepared to keep on funding it ?.
I doubt it.
I refer my learned friend to his remark above.:rolleyes:
Jim.
Lincoln .7

If it is ‘the war’ why isn’t Germany penalised by all the countries that they occupied?

Because Zay now hold ze pursestrings 😉