The events of 11th September 2001

Phixer,
Lt. Col. Steve O’Brien was the commander of the C-130 that was tasked with an attempt to get a visual on the Flight 77 757. No doubt you believe that he is all part of the big ‘cover-up’ to?

I consider it possible that Lt. Col. O’Brien did not see what he thought he saw, or rather he saw what he had been conditioned to see.

Besides that commentary does not mention O’Brien stating he actually saw an airliner crash into the Pentagon.

Whatever, for those who have not questioned the official version of events before then have a look here:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

and

from the left hand pane on the page from above:

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050204132153814

This just to get you started you understand, saves you buying books at least for the time being.

With regards to Phixer’s posts it seems that there are more and more people questioning the official version of the events on 9/11, certainly on this side of the atlantic. This is typified by this article about 9/11 that appeared in the independent a couple of weeks ago.

http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece

Robert Fisk is of course one of the UK’s most respected journalists and certainly not someone to shoot from the hip…………………

Most people do not trust official sources, and following the ‘intelligence failures’ to do with weapons of mass destruction that lead to the current fiasco in Iraq, probably with good reason.

With regards to deleting post due to offence I have always found the following;

Do you not know that I live by war, and that peace would be my undoing? -Sir John Hawkwood.

in SealordLawarence’s signature particularly offensive, as I believe one would have to be a particularly sick individual to prefer war to peace. But I have not said anything as ranting against such things is pointless – live and let live.

Further to ask for something to be deleted because one finds it offensive goes against the principle of free speech, so cherished in the west and especially the USA.

Finally if what Phixer says has no validatity it won’t stand; if it has validity the number of questions and people asking them will continue to increase – and eventually the truth will emerge.

Steve

Phixer,
Very flawed info you put forward in your post. 2004/05/31_catlinb_airguardmuseum/[/url]

Have you checked through my sources? You will find the answers to your questions there and that my info is not flawed.

The footage of ‘terrorists’ you mention has serious authentication flaws.

If you followed my link to Richard Gage’s presentation that would have provided you with a site with plenty of links to more material. Try some of it.

Try also the books by David Ray Griffin:

‘The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11’

‘The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions’

‘Debunking 9/11 Debunking
An Answer to Popular Mechanics and the Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory’

I have yet to read that last, have it on order, but have a good idea of what it could say, after all I have looked at FEMA, NIST and 9/11 Commison Reports having copies of the last two here.

I leave things at that for now.

Phixer,
Very flawed info you put forward in your post. How many of the terrorists onboard the aircraft has Bin Laden/Al Q named and shown videos of? IIRC it is has now been 6. Explain the airport security footage of the terrorists going through the boarding gates/security? Explain the airline and security people statements and accounts who actually processed and checked them on board? No doubt you also believe that Bin Laden and his number two are actually living in the U.S. and under the control of the U.S. Government?

Lt. Col. Steve O’Brien was the commander of the C-130 that was tasked with an attempt to get a visual on the Flight 77 757. No doubt you believe that he is all part of the big ‘cover-up’ to?

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2004/05/31_catlinb_airguardmuseum/

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And your opinion is not stated as fact?

I am at a loss. Where has racism come in to ANY of my postings?

That post was not in response to you.

If you say so!:D

So now you find mass murder worthy of a grinning smiley.:mad:

The fact that you keep repeating this rubbish despite its offensive nature is disgusting. No matter how hard you try to provoke I will not validate you remarks by arguing against them as they are clearly ridiculous.:mad:

If you say so!:D

Unfortunately he states his opinion as fact.:mad:

And your opinion is not stated as fact?

So according to you we should just handle racism? After all its someones opinion if they dislike someone becouse of the colour of their skin?:mad:

I am at a loss. Where has racism come in to ANY of my postings?

Not convincingly.

Who do you reckon has dismissed these theories? Tin-pot or otherwise.

That is a fairly typical ‘shoot the messenger’ tactic used by those who do not want to face the truth about the real reasons behind events where so many have died and been seriously injured.

Interesting that you should try to make me look like the ‘nasty’ here when in reality you should be looking at Who Gained and Following the Money.

Big oil, and defence contractors – and all those private company CEOs ect who are growing rich on the proceeds of the war. Also note how many senators have sons and daughters in the field.

I truly feel for those guys at the front line. But as one well heeled American citizen is quoted as saying (with echoes of Madelaine Albright), ‘cheap oil is worth a few marines a day’.

Do you not understand my points. I am as sickened by the casualties as any right minded human being. I however look behind the media line as my knowledge of history informs me of many other false flag attacks used as pretexts for war. Would you like a list? It would be quite revealing.

I am sorry but until you come up with reasonable counter arguments, instead of bolshy bluster, I do not intend to continue this exchange with yourself.

The fact that you keep repeating this rubbish despite its offensive nature is disgusting. No matter how hard you try to provoke I will not validate you remarks by arguing against them as they are clearly ridiculous.:mad:

The tin pot conspiracy theories have been widely dismissed.

Not convincingly.

Who do you reckon has dismissed these theories? Tin-pot or otherwise.

There is no need for you to drag peoples reputations and the memories of the victims and those who have died since in the pursuit of justice for this crime through the mud to yet again to satisfy your fantasy land.:mad:

That is a fairly typical ‘shoot the messenger’ tactic used by those who do not want to face the truth about the real reasons behind events where so many have died and been seriously injured.

Interesting that you should try to make me look like the ‘nasty’ here when in reality you should be looking at Who Gained and Following the Money.

Big oil, and defence contractors – and all those private company CEOs etc. who are growing rich on the proceeds of the war. Also note how many senators have sons and daughters in the field.

I truly feel for those guys at the front line. But as one well heeled American citizen is quoted as saying (with echoes of Madelaine Albright), ‘cheap oil is worth a few marines a day’.

Do you not understand my points. I am as sickened by the casualties as any right minded human being. I however look behind the media line as my knowledge of history informs me of many other false flag attacks used as pretexts for war. Would you like a list? It would be quite revealing.

I am sorry but until you come up with reasonable counter arguments, instead of bolshy bluster, I do not intend to continue this exchange with yourself.

On the contrary, I cited a few sources, which if you had read calmly you would have noted.

I spared the readership here a long list of souces because at this stage I did not think it necessary. I could have listed many, many more. Would people like me to do this?

I cited Ruppert in particular for his most exhastive research. Have you read his book? If so then you would appreciate the breadth, and importance, of his sources.

Only the official account is absurd.

The tin pot conspiracy theories have been widely dismissed. There is no need for you to drag peoples reputations and the memories of the victims and those who have died since in the pursuit of justice for this crime through the mud to yet again to satisfy your fantasy land.:mad:

I can not believe that you are peddling such tripe without evidence or substance.

That is quite untrue.

Then to insult me for being offended by it is even worse. 😡

I have very deliberatly avoided insults and refuse to be drawn into a slanging match.

I have stated an opinion backed up with rationale, if that causes you to choke then I cannot help that.

On top of all that is the appalling level of source usage. Phixer uses a single book to justify his absurd claims and takes it as fact without consultation of other theories or sources, or for that matter actual facts.:mad:

On the contrary, I cited a few sources, which if you had read calmly you would have noted.

I spared the readership here a long list of sources because at this stage I did not think it necessary. I could have listed many, many more. Would people like me to do this?

I cited Ruppert in particular for his most exhastive research. Have you read his book? If so then you would appreciate the breadth, and importance, of his sources.

Only the official account is absurd.

well calling someone’s opinion a lie and insulting rethorics surely shows you can handle others opinions:rolleyes:

Unfortunately he states his opinion as fact.:mad:

So according to you we should just handle racism? After all its someones opinion if they dislike someone becouse of the colour of their skin?:mad:

well calling someone’s opinion a lie and insulting rethorics surely shows you can handle others opinions:rolleyes:

Nah, he just cannot handlle different obinions, I doupt he really hates anyone..;)

I dont have a problem with different opinions, just with lies and insulting rhetoric.:mad:

You hate him because of his freedom!

No I dislike him becouse he is spreading highly inaccurate tin pot theories that suggest people I was once close to sacrificed their lives for a fraud.

If you want to suggest that the US brought 9/11 on themselves through foreign policy decisions or that without spectacular incompetence it could have been prevented thats fine, its all valid discussion fodder. But to suggest what phixer is, without evidence, yet alone anything even vaguely conclusive is just offensive.

Not to mention the accusation that named individuals are responsible for mass murder. John Lake gets posts deleted becouse somebody somewhere might vaguely interpret them as an accusation of supporting a right wing party yet ‘phixer’ is allowed to accuse people of mass murder and acts of terror without evidence?:mad:

On top of all that is the appalling level of source usage. Phixer uses a single book to justify his absurd claims and takes it as fact without consultation of other theories or sources, or for that matter actual facts.:mad:

Nah, he just cannot handlle different obinions, I doupt he really hates anyone..;)

I request that phixers post be removed, it is highly offensive and grossly inaccurate.😡 😡

You hate him because of his freedom!