The Washington Sniper —- Death???

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>The death penalty, right or wrong, for what he they have
>done? Please Discuss.

Everyone, a couple of month ago we discussed this same subject. If anyone is interested in my opinion then read the post there. For me it doesn’t change a bit weather it is this sick fellow human being or some abstract case. To be absolutely clear, I’m and always will be against the death penalty.

regards,

JW

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 28-10-02 AT 08:29 AM (GMT)]two points….the state is not allow to shame anybody for any reason, that’s our Constitution…cruel and unusual punishment(death was deemed NOT what our forefathers had in mind since they have death penalties back then, so that must mean cruel and unusual in the sense of shame, torture, etc…). As to death, many feel the “right” of human beings to live, so they banned the death penalty. Yet i asked, how about their responsibilities when it comes to a released criminal that commits murder or hurts others again. No, the morality of these so called “21st Century People” only want the feel good part but they don’t want to have anything to do with the “responsibility” part.If a murderer is later released and then kill somebody, i’m sure you would say not your problem as long as YOU feel morally higher than the victims (victims being the ones that died…can you punish yourself just to satisfy your guilt if you indeed feel responsible?). Death penalty shouldn’t be as common as now in the US, i agree, it should only be on cases that’s 100% certain. In this case, the evidence (no trial yet, but so far the EVIDENCE) is overwhelming. In cases when nobody saw anything, no hard evidence except Jury “feelings”, there should be no death since again, no hard evidence. And, please don’t criticize us now because the current trend of violent acts in the EU is growing, IIRC…what if no jail space, let them go? Then it goes back to morality being a feel good thing again.

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“There may discrepancies with his age, and he may be older than 17.”

Old enough to know what he was doing was wrong… If you don’t know right from wrong at 17 what is the likelyhood of you working it out in just one year?

Kill them both if they are guilty.

Whether they did it for money or for OBL, it doesn’t matter.
They have no respect for life, and you can’t exile them in Australia now, so remove them from society.

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Hi All

Wombat I agree that they should be hanged or some other form of execution fitting to the suffering that they caused their victims and their families. But I do respect Geforces thoughts and feelings on this he obviously feels very strongly about this. As you will know here in Britain we dont have a Death sentance any more. I think they should reinstate this but only in the case of very very strong proof this means that physical evidence would have to be used along with any other evidence to get a conviction. But a persons confession could not be used incase he was forced to sign it.

Geforce I respect you wishes about this subject but be aware that others have thoughts and feelings on this subject too that may be just as strong as yours. Also just because Wombat wants to see them publicaly hanged I dont think this makes him sick just a strong believer in corporal punishment. I also think some kind of public humiliation should be used before they are executed but the actual act of execution should be private with the witnesses and families if they wish to attend.

I personally would take them both to the desert and have sniper shoot bits of their bodies off. Before finally killing them and then leave them there for the buzzards and vultures to eat.Coming back a few days later for the bones. But hey thats just me.

Merlin

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Geforce

One thing I have on my side which I think you lack is a sense of humour. You obviously can’t tell when someone is serious and when they are not. Don’t ever accuse me of being sick in the manner you did as you don’t know me!

I do advocate the death penalty, simply because I see no reason for allowing “animals” to live after committing heinous crimes for which they are convicted. If the evidence is strong enough to convict these two BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT, then they deserve no better than death.

I do not advocate public executions – it was a joke (which you obviously missed!)

You and Rabie are certainly entitled to your opinions, as I am mine. We disagree strongly on this particular issue. Fine. You let them live and I reckon they should die. Simple as that. End of argument.

Wombat

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 27-10-02 AT 08:34 AM (GMT)]Wombat, I consider myself to be a human being. The last thing what I want to see is someone being hanged in public. If you enjoy this, you are as sick as the psycho who killed the 13 people.

I’m glad I live in a continent free from death penalty. And luckily also down under. We live in the 21th century, not in the Middle Ages, right.

“if there deaths bring peace to the suffering families of killed…they should go ahead.”

Kabir, let’s say, If I killed my neighbour and that would bring peace to me, should I go ahead with it? Sorry, buddy, but this argument is really weak.

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no to all of them

we’ve had a death penalty discusion before and it went of forever but i remain unpersuded and i still bleive thtat its wrong for the state to take someone life

even so these poeple haven’t been found guilty yet – only then should sentacing be cosnidered.

rabie :9

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 26-10-02 AT 11:30 PM (GMT)]Breaking news! Another person has been arrested in the sniper case, Nathaneil Osbourne, Co-owner of the sniper’s car.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/americas/2363629.stm

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Geforce

For God’s sake, why not?

You obviously are opposed to the death penalty, but how the hell can you state that these two, regardless of the age of the younger one, can claim to have any right to live if they are found guilty.

If guilty, they have forfeited any right they have to be treated as human beings or to live. Hang them – publicly!!!!!

Wombat

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pretty simple…if there deaths bring peace to the suffering families of killed…they should go ahead.

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An unequivocal yes for both of them.

As already said, premeditated multiple murder, extortion and a possible link to terrorism as the older of the two is sais to be a supporter of Bin Laden and al-Qaeda are more than enough to warrant the death penalty. The age of the accomplice is irrelevant. He is 17 years old for God’s sake. If he was five you could say his age is a factor but at seventeen he is wholly responsible for his own actions and should therefore face the consequences.

Glenn said the one’s military service might count in his favour? I would hope not. He used his military skills to hold several million people in fear and to then try to extort the authorities for personal gain. He should expect only what he gave…death.

One thing that sickens me though is the fact that three states are arguing over the right to try them. In America’s currently litiginous society will they still be arguing when one of the later victims families sues a state authority for not catching them sooner?

Regards,

kev35

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What i find disgraceful, IS Charlton Heston’s advocation of the right to bear arms, this is a good example of why there should be a law against these weapons, considering the USA has 280 million people and there are more guns than popululation, Now that is scarey.

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I would say, yes for the person proved to be the shooter, and no for the accomplice, whoever that maybe, I am not for the Death Penalty of minors, but the actions were horrific.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 26-10-02 AT 12:13 PM (GMT)]For the last time : nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 26-10-02 AT 11:31 AM (GMT)]They should definitely face the death penalty if found guilty of the sniper killings.What they have done is an act of barbarity and is inhuman.
However,I was watching the news earlier and it said that the younger of the two’s age is not correctly known.It is unclear whether he could face the death penalty in Maryland, which does not allow juveniles to be executed.There may discrepancies with his age, and he may be older than 17.

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For sure – multiple counts of premeditated murder, extortion, deprivation of liberty and so on. Only his national service time IMO could save him from it.

Regards, Glenn.

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If they are found guilty, I see absolutely no reason why they should not be executed. Their actions were totally indiscriminate, and carried out over three weeks, terrorising two states and many millions of people. So the older bloke served in the Gulf War – that gave him the right to do such things, did it? And the younger fellow – what was his motive – a bit of fun?

Don’t know which state they will be found guilty in, or the manner of execution which would apply, but they both deserve nothing less.

Hang-em-high Wombat

E,R S & L.