The yogurt knitters will hate me now!

So mining materials, shipping them to factories all around the world, then shipping the sub assemblies to another factory, using vast amounts of energy to put the bits together to produce a 68.9 mpg Micra (will be less than that when you look past the manufacturers guff, decline with engine wear in a year or so aswel), the completed cars then shipped all over the world is more environmentally concious than buying and recycling an older car for £1000.
I suppose its more responsible getting yourself into a finance and servicing agreements to be able to use a brand new car aswel?

Nope this is just another anti individual move, from a time when we could drive around in (and indeed work on and fix comparitively cheaply) something we wished to, be it a weezy old Angle box with firestripes down the side to a Rover V8.

Arthur Pewty, it seems like your only remit here is to contradict someone elses points, certainly going off all your posts in GA, therefore you have pretty well devalued your own opinions as far as I can see – you picked an apt user name!

I’m no psychiatrist and I can only guess that there is some deep compulsion on the part of humans to be seen to be ‘good’. Some conscience attached to the good life, principally in the West, that makes them enthusiastically grab and wear a hair shirt, thus redeeming – at least in part, their feelings of guilt.

Duhh! Humans wanting to be good eh? What are we like! Isn’t that a good thing? Better than being “evil” I would suggest. :diablo:

That’s great John. Halleluah, we are all saved!

Moggy

Can’t agree on the SST comment unless you elaborate with facts.

I didn’t say that SSTs actually caused holes in the Ozone, but that was the argument made by the US environmentalists.
As with many issues, they may have overstated their case in an attempt to get government and public support.

Deforestation, the 1930s dustbowl, nuclear weapons, acid rain, holes in ozone layers, lake and river pollution, smog etc. etc. are just a few examples of humans causing great environmental effects.

As I posted before and as you studiously chose to ignore, these are things humans have already done. Nothing to do with the IPCC at all.

The light has eventually dawned on industry that we cannot keep polluting the planet the way we have been doing in an effort to stop what has previously happened – see above list for a sample. Clean air acts, unleaded petrol, CFC emissions, all without the aid of the IPCC.

Burying your head in the sand and hoping that the planet will somehow save itself is to ignore the real danger of failing to try and reverse the damage humans have already done.

C’mon. You’re obviously not an idiot. Thinking cap on. It is in the great scheme of things that for every ‘pro’ there is a ‘con’ . 99% of support for human intervention in changes to the climate and eco system never existed even in the wild imaginings of the IPCC.

The IPCC were caught redhanded cooking the books and so totally destroyed their analysis of climate change activity. This organisation was promoted and funded by governments across the globe and now they are in disarray and completely lack credibility and have become a laughing stock.

Why would they attempt this monumental confidence trick? Why did they invent ‘evidence’? Because there wasn’t any VERIFIABLE evidence. Why wasn’t there ? See 21 above.

Much like the EU, the climate change doomsters are incompetant, undemocratic, fraudulent and totally discredited. Why then do people and governments persist in this charade although less stridently then they did. I’m no psychiatrist and I can only guess that there is some deep compulsion on the part of humans to be seen to be ‘good’. Some conscience attached to the good life, principally in the West, that makes them enthusiastically grab and wear a hair shirt, thus redeeming – at least in part, their feelings of guilt.

John Green

….you’ve allowed yourself to be conned by the kind of people who believe that the Earth is flat and the moon is made of green cheese.

There exists not one shred of verifiable evidence outside of the fevered imaginings of all the Luddites.

Er…. no.

Actually about 99% of all scientific opinion believes that human activity is having a deleterious effect on the climate and so the eco-structure.

Posting bollox on fora about ‘luddites’ may may you feel better. But it changes nothing.

Moggy

Nice car, lots of gadgets I trust? 😀

Yes lots of gadgets,I am still trying to get my head around some of them(no drivers handbookwith the car)
Two nice touches that I have never encountered before. One when you turn the ignition on it does a systems check and will tell you if there is a fault and what it is.(and how much petrol to the nearest tenth of a litre is left!)
Two it has three sun visors one each for the driver and passenger and a small one in the middle above the rear view mirror. Well thought out I think.

^^^^

Less people?
That means less tax! Formula no longer works.
The fact that those people may never work is not in the formula, Guvmints assume that work will be found as the economy grows. Yawn.

Yes, and the US enforced Cat.s on cars too.

Can’t agree on the SST comment unless you elaborate with facts.

…holes in ozone layers…

Which is why the US never built an SST.
Since someone mentioned American V-8s, allow me to point out that the US led the switch to unleaded fuel, it was required for US cars beginning in 1974. The US also had clean air standards far higher than Europe which is why many European cars were not available in the US.

Why doesn’t anyone speak of population control any longer. It used to be “the” topic among the intelligentsia.
It’s fairly clear that if you want to help the earth, since humans are the causing the problem, we need fewer people.

But rather than do somthing that makes sense, today they seem to want to force everone (except themselves) in Soviet-style living conditions in urban housing blocks and mass transit.

Anyone else a bit tired of rock stars and others flaunting the “greeness” by driving an expensive hybrid while fathering 6-8 children, flying in private jets and maintaining several homes throughout the world?

the car is a Lexus Soarer as per image

Nice car, lots of gadgets I trust? 😀

I agree with #23 and BTW the car is a Lexus Soarer as per image

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By the time I have finished burning all the oil, smog will start to disappear completely, deforestation will be gone as hand sawing trees down and shipping them by sailing boat will make it far to expensive. Acid rain, holes in the ozone, lake and river pollution will all but go too with the last of the oil gone, no one will give a toss over the ragheads and they will be back to living in tents and wondering where it all went wrong……..

see things are looking rosy 🙂

I would make it law that any company dumping water into rivers must draw their supply from the river downstream from their outflow.

Aah, but Arthur….99% of the developing nations don’t give a flying ******* what they dump and where it ends up. And they are producing most of the dangerous waste too.
Yes, I recycle. We have at least 4 containers in the North passage at home. NOT because I think it will save the planet, but because I hope it will keep costs down. This may be a mistake.
Especially in the UK, which is 100% set up to rip-off the public on things like recycling, the prices will go up anyway. Just like the ABSOLUTEY GARBAGE light bulbs, they save energy at the expense of yer eyesight and, when the electric demand goes down…..the electric company will increase prices to recover the lost revenue. PLEASE do not believe they will balance the books by closing down a power station. That will be looked at as a seperate case and any extra saving will go on the bottom line as an addition. The punters will always pay!
However, I’m glad the UK and the civilised West has got it’s act together on the cleaning up of rivers etc……which all comes down to landfill run-off and dumping and cattle waste. It makes our environment better, but it won’t be enough to save the whole planet.

Deforestation, the 1930s dustbowl, nuclear weapons, acid rain, holes in ozone layers, lake and river pollution, smog etc. etc. are just a few examples of humans causing great environmental effects. These are things that have actually happened and are very from being figments of anyone’s imagination. Who knows what else we might be capable of achieving in the future.

Recycling has little to do with climate change and everything into not turning the country into a massive landfill. It is therefore a good thing to do.

Personally, I’m going to do what I can to make sure there is decent environment for my daughter to live in. Thankfully I am not alone. (except perhaps on this forum).

How do you know ? How do you know that “life will be in jeopardy”? How do you know “that the human race is capable of causing great damage to the Earth’s eco system” ?

None of us know. It is simply guess work on your part. It seems that along with a significantly ill informed number of people who subscribe to alarmist theories you’ve allowed yourself to be conned by the kind of people who believe that the Earth is flat and the moon is made of green cheese.

There exists not one shred of verifiable evidence outside of the fevered imaginings of all the Luddites. Let us be generous and say that at least five percent or so of all the nonsensical statements of gloom and doom are correct. The time scale for ascertaining that such is correct and that the evidence is amassing is so vast as to be outside several human lifespans and consequently beyond scrutiny.

The public is then asked to examine computer hypotheses perpetrated by those with vested interests and vast research budgets. The fiasco of the IPCC comes to mind, in that they falsified unsound computer modelling programs and then marketed the results as ‘science’. Really !

The sham that is wind and solar energy, the alleged gathering pace of long term climate change, the changes to polar ice cover – even if there is just a hint of truth in any of these matters, are simply a reflection of the natural changes that have been a part of our existance on this Earth and even before the appearance of Man.

My personal belief is that the principal threat to the Earth and the human race is over population and the scarcity of water. As the Earth becomes de-forested in pursuit of agriculture so will the provision of water become more desperate.

So, what is to be done. Simple. Hand out free condoms and plant trees.

John Green

The human race is capable of causing great damage to the Earth’s eco-system. The planet as a lump of rock might survive but any life on it will be in jeopardy – what a great legacy for the human race.

Mmmm… Not sure the dodo polluted the air and sea to the extent that we do. The dodo didn’t fill acres and acres with landfill rubbish and cut down hundreds square miles of rain forest. What was responsible for the demise of the dodo? Oh that’s right! Humans!

My point was we are about as important to this planets existence as the Dodo was [regardless of the fact we made the Dodo extinct]. We shouldn’t be so awed of our significance to this planets existence.
The Planet will survive with or without us.

Sorry you save the Planet bods but today I bought a 4Ltr V8 car.Think of the children think of Climate change! Nah I will just drive it and light up a fag to poison my passengers.

Anyone else done anything to hasten the destruction of this planet recently?:)

Welcome to the V8 club

Enough going on here to negate the efforts of a whole legion of beardy sandal wearers 😎

My Mach1 Mustang & a 203sqn Seaking :diablo:

Mmmm… Not sure the dodo polluted the air and sea to the extent that we do. The dodo didn’t fill acres and acres with landfill rubbish and cut down hundreds square miles of rain forest. What was responsible for the demise of the dodo? Oh that’s right! Humans!