U.S.A Second Amendment re-think

So, With all the gun owners in the States, National Guard etc, wouldn’t it be a good idea, to make those from 18 to 40 yrs of age Reservists, that way, you would have such a large Army, there would be no need for the USA to drag our troops into conflicts such as Irak, Afghanistan etc, every time your Government can’t cope on it’s own?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Well you certainly seemed hostile, but if that wasn’t your intent then we can just move along…no worries.

Doesn’t anyone in America care about how insane all this looks to the rest of the world?

This comment right here is what I tried to explain earlier. The answer to that question for most here (including myself) I would argue is a resounding no. As someone else pointed out this is going around in circles, and I don’t see the point. It’s just creating unnecessary angst amongst forum members. We have our ways over here…you guys have yours over there.

On a personal level, I couldn’t care less what someone in another nation thinks of me. I would expect the same from them….for them to be worried about my opinion of them means they need to go find a hobby or something to keep their mind occupied. We are all very different and that’s what makes our world so interesting. In no way, shape, or form will people from opposite ends of the globe (or even just across the Atlantic Ocean) understand each other all of the time nor will they agree on most things. Why not just leave it at that and move on?

For heaven’s sake, these are killing machines, not toys. Doesn’t anyone in America care about how insane all this looks to the rest of the world?

NO.

Well, I think your wrong, judging by a lot of replies to this Post, just admit it, you’ve lost the plot.It’s your right as part of the militia to defend yourself against the Government, come the day, are you telling me that Americas army would shoot to kill an uprising militia?.The 2nd, was at the time it was ratified a good idea, but it’s totally out of hand, and I beleive that’s what some States want to square up, much against the will of the NRA.
I wonder what their stance would be, come the revolution should it ever happen?,

Jim.
Lincoln .7

No I am simply telling you the Second Amendment gives us the right to arm ourselves against any dictatorial threat.

Those arms seem to put fear into Washington even though no one is thinking of over throwing anything.
The mere fact that civilian could and would shoot back if they needed strikes fear into the so called progressives as their disarmament proposals only shows fear of some scenario that does not exist, except in their minds or perhaps threatens their desire for more power.
They rules would do ZERO to reduce murders and would only disarm the law abiding citizen.

The National Guard is under citizen control unless a Governor releases them to the Federal Government, except in time of declared war.
Until 1983 Guard members who serviced National Guard Aircraft did it in civilian clothes because that what they are civilians.

The pilots were required to wear uniforms but they were just as much civilians as those servicing their aircraft.

They are still civilians but with the total re-alignment of the U.S. military, especially the Air services, changes were made in dress but not official standard, therefore; the Federal Government would have no control over hundreds of thousands of National Guard troops if a revolution would occur and I doubt they would have all that much control over the Government Armed forces either.

As a former Guard pilot told me recently, you advanced in rank in pretty much one manner, some one else died or retired.

Mr Creosote, Now perhaps you can see where I am coming from on this Post?.
Thanks for taking a look at their Forum, I said it would be an eye opener.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Perhaps you should look at the American gun Forum I mentioned, then you may realise what I am getting at.
Lincoln .7

I took a look at that website the other day Jim, and there is some weird stuff on there. A pizza place is offering discounts to anyone who shows they are carrying a concealed gun, and someone else is advocating people should carry concealed weapons but wear a nice big badge to show they are doing so. For heaven’s sake, these are killing machines, not toys. Doesn’t anyone in America care about how insane all this looks to the rest of the world? Cue cries of anti-Americanism and “don’t-tell-us-what-to-do.”

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it but it is still just your opinion.

As shared by many others over here. 🙂
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Phantom11.

Take it from me, when Grey Area gets hostile, we ALL take cover, and go to Defcom 1.

Jim.
Lincoln .7

Oh Grey Area stop being so hostile. I was making a little joke. Learn to lighten up. You Brits are getting far too spun up on this issue.

Hostile? I was defending your right to spend your own money in whatever way you see fit.

If you call that hostility, you need to get out a bit more. :p

Charlie, I see where you are coming from, but you didn’t do the job I did, I can therefore understand why it’s like a Merry go Round, but if you read those from over the Pond, you will see they are running out of any valid excuses, in their argument.On the forum I mentioned, many said they don’t NEED so many guns, they just want them.And can you see a valid argument inasmuch as they, the Militia would actually take up arms against their fellow Countrymen, as this is what the 2nd relates to.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Oh, I am very aware of all of that, Linc and as I said if that’s how they do things, then good luck to them. I wouldn’t want it here but that’s not the point.

I know it’s true of a number of threads but it just seems to go around in circles with the usual suspects batting the ball back and forth over the net. There’s an occasional ace and a few slams but mainly just lobs with no topspin at all!!:D

I’ll pop back in another few hundred posts to see how you are all getting on…..

The point of it is, is to see how their gun laws differ from ours.

And also to see why they want to own as many guns as they do.
Perhaps you should look at the American gun Forum I mentioned, then you may realise what I am getting at.
as you say Charlie, it is only your view.:)
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I have returned to this thread after a few days absence and wonder what the point of it is. It seems to be a continuation of the gulf which separates the majority of UK posters and the majority of US posters, with little objectivity and the occasional bout of tetchiness.

The gulf is never going to be bridged, so being entirely agnostic on the subject, if that’s how things are done in the US, that’s how they are done. How people in other nations live their lives is their business – I might approve, I might disapprove, but what I think is irrelevant.

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it but it is still just your opinion.

Well, I think your wrong, judging by a lot of replies to this Post, just admit it, you’ve lost the plot.It’s your right as part of the militia to defend yourself against the Government, come the day, are you telling me that Americas army would shoot to kill an uprising militia?.The 2nd, was at the time it was ratified a good idea, but it’s totally out of hand, and I beleive that’s what some States want to square up, much against the will of the NRA.
I wonder what their stance would be, come the revolution should it ever happen?,

Jim.
Lincoln .7

Oh Grey Area stop being so hostile. I was making a little joke. Learn to lighten up. You Brits are getting far too spun up on this issue.

Just pop along to the American forum,,,,,FirearmTALK, and see what they discuss re firearms, seems like the lunatics are running the asylam, the way some of them brag about their guns etc. I now see even more reason why I.M.H.O. the gun ownership Laws need tightning up. GOD HELP AMERICA, As for God bless America, I think the Pope should do that right now, it seems like a ticking time bomb waiting to go off, the way some of their members talk.
Even more reason I am happy to live in the U.K.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it but it is still just your opinion.

One or two things the article says, echoes my words, inasmuch as that they also advocate locking weapons in a safe storage facility.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21379912

Prof Killias cannot hide his anger with those in America who use Switzerland to illustrate their argument that more gun ownership would deter or stop violence.

“We don’t have a gun culture!” he snaps, waving his hand dismissively.

“I’m always amazed how the National Rifle Association in America points to Switzerland – they make it sound as if it was part of southern Texas!” he says.

“We have guns at home, but they are kept for peaceful purposes. There is no point taking the gun out of your home in Switzerland because it is illegal to carry a gun in the street.”

Street violence has gone up in recent years in Switzerland but there hasn’t been an increase in gun-related incidents.

Prof Killias was a supporter of the 2011 referendum initiative to keep all militia firearms in a central arsenal – because, he says, of the evidence provided by recent statistics.

“Forty-three per cent of homicides are domestic related and 90% of those homicides are carried out with guns,” he says.

“But over the last 20 years, now that the majority of soldiers don’t have ammunition at home, we have seen a decrease in gun violence…“

When I meet Mathias, a PhD student and serving officer, at his apartment in a snowy suburb of Zurich, I realise the rules have got stricter than I imagined. Mathias keeps his army pistol in the guest room of his home, in a desk drawer hidden under the printer paper.

“I do as the army advises and I keep the barrel separately from my pistol,” he explains seriously. “I keep the barrel in the basement so if anyone breaks into my apartment and finds the gun, it’s useless to them.”

He shakes out the gun holster. “And we don’t get bullets any more,” he adds. “The Army doesn’t give ammunition now – it’s all kept in a central arsenal.” This measure was introduced by Switzerland’s Federal Council in 2007.

Mathias carefully puts away his pistol and shakes his head firmly when I ask him if he feels safer having a gun at home, explaining that even if he had ammunition, he would not be allowed to use it against an intruder.

“The gun is not given to me to protect me or my family,” he says. “I have been given this gun by my country to serve my country – and for me it is an honour to take care of it. I think it is a good thing for the state to give this responsibility to people.”

I thought these extracts were the most interesting because they would seem to contradict the suggestion that Switzerland has low crime because of high gun-ownership.

Just pop along to the American forum,,,,,FirearmTALK, and see what they discuss re firearms, seems like the lunatics are running the asylam, the way some of them brag about their guns etc. I now see even more reason why I.M.H.O. the gun ownership Laws need tightning up. GOD HELP AMERICA, As for God bless America, I think the Pope should do that right now, it seems like a ticking time bomb waiting to go off, the way some of their members talk.
Even more reason I am happy to live in the U.K.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

His rhetoric is a rationalization at its very best and street-hustler bull-**** at any other level.

That superstition is the reason you have your Constitution and Second Amendment.

You cannot play both ends against the middle.

This statement goes some way towards explaining it. The level of insidious religious/superstitious indoctrination on the US rivals that of the Middle East.