We are going to Mars and its not the choccy bar factory visit either

Jay. I was watching prog last night (Sat) re the Doodlebugs and the V2s. The Germans were well past the jet stage with their 262, also rockets, mentioned. There was also a lot of discussion regarding the development of a flying saucer, and if to be believed, one actualy worked, in a crude sort of way.
Makes one wonder what Wright Patterson AFB and area 51 hold.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

I am sure some of the work for Mars began a long time ago

I am sure some of the work for Mars began a long time ago.

Plans, calculations, computer simulations, models, CFD of possible vehicles, etc are all to hand and now IMO it’s the start of actual testing of prototypes.

The dreams, sketches, and fiction of an Englishman Dr Arthur C Clarke on satellites and space stations and as Lance and Jim have stated the development of rocket science/real applications that came out of Peenemunde (Dr Werner Von Braun’s teams) have formed much of the actual launch programme foundations.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blrocketv2.htm

“…On arriving back at Peenemunde, von Braun immediately assembled his planning staff and asked them to decide how and to whom they should surrender. Most of the scientists were frightened of the Russians, they felt the French would treat them like slaves, and the British did not have enough money to afford a rocket program. That left the Americans. After stealing a train with forged papers, von Braun led 500 people through war-torn Germany to surrender to the Americans. The SS were issued orders to kill the German engineers, who hid their notes in a mine shaft and evaded their own army while searching for the Americans. Finally, the team found an American private and surrendered to him. Realizing the importance of these engineers, the Americans immediately went to Peenemunde and Nordhausen and captured all of the remaining V-2’s and V-2 parts, then destroyed both places with explosives. The Americans brought over 300 train car loads of spare V-2 parts to the United States. Much of von Braun’s production team was captured by the Russians.”

Baz. Just watched your 36. Great.:D
I like the sketches of, “The life of Brian” and the best of them all, “Biggus Dickuss” anyone who does not laugh at that, is not of this planet.;)

Jim.
Lincoln .7

G.A. Also the Americans were ultra quick in “Obtaining” the services of Wernher von Braun.immediately at the end of WW11.
I wonder if Their (Americans) Space program would have been so advanced without his services, most of the rocket problems would have been sorted by the time he switched sides.;)

Jim.

Lincoln .7

Simple. If you don’t want to spend the money, don’t go.:rolleyes:
Re: space exploration, you picked the right country to be born and live in.

Sneer all you like, Mr B, but the US successes in space of the 1960s and early 70s would never have come to pass if wasn’t for the German rocket research and development programmes of the 1930s and 1940s.

The same goes for the USSR.

TonyT I have to agree with you re Sat nav etc, the point I am trying to get over is the cost of developing a vehicle from the drawng board to actualy landing on Mars would cost, I am despite what some have sarcasticly said,still for space travel.
Lets try another way of what I mean.

Its getting to be time to go shopping, and to get food for dinner, which as we all know is eaten during the evening you have a family and enough money in your pocket for (A. Spending the money on food for the family or, (B, Going down the pub for a few pints with your mates.
To me the answer is obvious, food for the family, get yourself Pi$$ed when you have the money.
I doubt also that the USA and Russia, put satellites up so we could use our sat navs, mobile pfones etc for fun.

Jim.

Lincoln 7.

S.H. and Jay. I am all for Space exploration, 100% in fact, however, wouldn’t it be better for the States to get their economical problems sorted out first. Secondly, we have all the Seas and Oceans on this planet that should be explored first.Not that this has anything to do with us directly, the Mars project, but I am surprised the States admit their finances are a mess, but can find billions to throw into space.
I am interested in photography, and was told recently, there are several Hassleblad cameras left on the Moon, and believe me, these are not cheap.if the story is true.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Jim,

Next time you climb in your car, turn on the GPS, make a phone call, watch the nearly accurate weather forecasting, or watch Sky TV think about it, if the USA and Russia hadn’t thrown billions at it, these would never of happened.

and I wouldn’t be plagued by call centres and market selling over the phone from India…………….. :rolleyes: erm cancel the programme NOW

Moon

When Eugene cernan stepped off the Moon in 1972 I never in a million years
thought that would be the last time man would venture to another planetary
body, so long ago, so much lost time. I’m not going to see man land on Mars and that makes me sad.

There’s excellent taste for this time of the night Baz

This is where you should have gone……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY

…..the font of all knowledge.

Baz

There’s excellent taste for this time of the night Baz – put me right in the mood for a few more clips – I’ve got the headphones on and rolling through “Monty Python RAF Banter” in a second window (“Top Hole”)

I was more on the theme of a Space Age Steptoe and Son

What is it, 22.000 or 27.000 bits of junk floating around, and it would seem like most of it comes from the Chinese. anyone who had the means to be a Dell Boy, would be a millionair by this time next year, (Rodney);)

Jim.

Lincoln .7

I was more on the theme of a Space Age Steptoe and Son:)

I don’t know, you can’t even trust Nat Geo now, thats where I got it from.;)
Jim.
Lincoln. 7

This is where you should have gone……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY

…..the font of all knowledge.

Baz

And yes, I still do believe in space exploraton, but at what cost?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Simple. If you don’t want to spend the money, don’t go.:rolleyes:
Re: space exploration, you picked the right country to be born and live in.

You have just solved the space junk problem and found a revenue source for the trip/project:)

What is it, 22.000 or 27.000 bits of junk floating around, and it would seem like most of it comes from the Chinese. anyone who had the means to be a Dell Boy, would be a millionair by this time next year, (Rodney);)

Jim.

Lincoln .7

I see the rocket development program will cost around 22 Billion Pounds, then there is all the rest of the things needed, they bandy the words Billions around like I would a fiver.Seems like money is not an object over the pond.
And yes, I still do believe in space exploraton, but at what cost?.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Yep, We can always flog them on Ebay;)
Jim.

Lincoln .7

You have just solved the space junk problem and found a revenue source for the trip/project:)

This is just a quote from the original news article

This is just a quote from the original news article http://uk.news.yahoo.com/biggest-ever-rocket-man-mars-160357782.html when I opened the thread.

“…And like the Saturn rockets, it will be fuelled by safer liquid oxygen and hydrogen. The shuttle used solid boosters, which cannot be turned off once they have been ignited.

“It’s back to the future with a reliable liquid technology,” said Professor Scott Hubbard, a former Nasa official who investigated the 2003 space shuttle Columbia disaster….”

I am sure there’s a lot more technical research and testing to be done before they have some test prototypes.

I hope some EU labs are also involved in R&D:)

What engines or other method of propulsion do they intend to use IF and when they go?.This Mars thing seems to be the “IN” thing at the mo.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Jim
There was me thinking most of us were optimistically planning to stay around for the Mars trip.

Now you are obviously investing in some Cryo treatment to stay around for over 1 (oh no over 100) billion different trips to different stars. Well Jim if you have conquered the secret of eternal life what is 1 or a 100 billion stars?:rolleyes:

Don’t lose any sleep on whose counting those distant stars/planets just get on board the Starship Enterprise Captain Lincoln7 and while en route to Mars let’s stop off and collect those dust covered cameras on the moon.:D

Yep, We can always flog them on Ebay;)
Jim.

Lincoln .7

More like a Mars bar at £20 a pop

Might get you a bag of crisps.

More like it’ll get you a Mars bar at £20 a pop:D

I don’t know, you can’t even trust Nat Geo now, thats where I got it from.;)
Jim.
Lincoln. 7

Jim
There was me thinking most of us were optimistically planning to stay around for the Mars trip.

Now you are obviously investing in some Cryo treatment to stay around for over 1 (oh no over 100) billion different trips to different stars. Well Jim if you have conquered the secret of eternal life what is 1 or a 100 billion stars?:rolleyes:

Don’t lose any sleep on whose counting those distant stars/planets just get on board the Starship Enterprise Captain Lincoln7 and while en route to Mars let’s stop off and collect those dust covered cameras on the moon.:D