'X Factor' has lost the plot.

I too have an intense dislike for reality TV.
It is what I call “Lazy TV” – Basically, it writes itself.

…But as I see it Simon Cowell is a very sharp and astute business man and the X-Factor is his vehicle in effect to promote and advertise what he wants the public to buy, And its neither here nor there for him as long as it makes him money.

But he’s still a twunt. And The X-Factor is still sh1te. :p:D

Don

P.S. I cannot believe I have just replied to this thread…!

I agree. I’m sure Simon Cowell knew how many public votes each act had and therefore avoided the awkward situation of voting-off a more talented act himself…

…however it begs the question…..if ‘Jedward’ got more votes wouldn’t that make them the more talented act? :confused:

Is it not the case that the useless ugly talentless twin misfits are getting their votes from Southern Ireland? Most of Southern Ireland appears rooting for them I believe.
If they win, then the same people will buy their tosh, which will make money for the Record Co. and unfortunately the pair of them. Which is the whole idea of the show…..even though it is called the X factor, indicating that they are looking for somebody special etc.

Shouldn’t that post be in the ‘What made you horny’ thread? :diablo:

No. That would be a double act with Cheryl AND Danni.
Damn, cold shower required.

Cowell took it to the public vote because he knew damn well the weaker act would get through…

I agree. I’m sure Simon Cowell knew how many public votes each act had and therefore avoided the awkward situation of voting-off a more talented act himself…

…however it begs the question…..if ‘Jedward’ got more votes wouldn’t that make them the more talented act? :confused:

Cheryl looked great on Saturday.

Shouldn’t that post be in the ‘What made you horny’ thread? :diablo:

Cheryl looked great on Saturday.

To criticise one’s viewing habits is a cheap shot, and a quite pointless dig at someone for the hell of it. Most seem to be getting on the bandwagon about why viewers watch “such terrible” programs, which to me is a little sad and pathetic. Now as a 36 year old I could understand being criticised for watching The Teletubbies, ( I used to watch it, with my kids 😀 ) but people should be a little more tolerable considering we all must share a diverse taste in the Television we choose to watch and not be made to feel like 2nd rate citizens.

Do you not think you are being over sensitive? Why is the criticism a “cheap shot”? No one is “digging” at anyone for hell of it. Those of us who find too much television cheap and tawdry surely have the right of criticism both of the programmes and by extension those who watch. And if some really feel like 2nd rate citizens then it really does say a lot about both them and the programmes. If people feel entirely comfortable watching then they would not feel victimised by the criticism.

Maybe I should not really be commenting on this thread as I have a real hatred for all of the reality TV we have in this country lately and tend to avoid it like the plague.

But as I see it Simon Cowell is a very sharp and astute business man and the X-Factor is his vehicle in effect to promote and advertise what he wants the public to buy, And its neither here nor there for him as long as it makes him money.
The public vote is also another profit making thing and also helps to hype the show further, The controversy currently going around also will not really do the show harm as more people will watch this weekend.

Even if X-Factor ended tomorrow there is no way Simon Cowell will be crying over its demise, It would be naive to imagine he is driven by the music and not the profits, But in a way I say good luck to him he found a market and has been hugely successful at it, And its fair to say he is probably the biggest talent to come through the show.

I personally feel this show and many others are rather poor but I would not judge anybody on such a thing thats down personal preference and if the show remains popular it goes to show its giving the people what they want.

To criticise one’s viewing habits is a cheap shot, and a quite pointless dig at someone for the hell of it. Most seem to be getting on the bandwagon about why viewers watch “such terrible” programs, which to me is a little sad and pathetic. Now as a 36 year old I could understand being criticised for watching The Teletubbies, ( I used to watch it, with my kids 😀 ) but people should be a little more tolerable considering we all must share a diverse taste in the Television we choose to watch and not be made to feel like 2nd rate citizens.

Surely Deano we are all free to criticize anybody for anything if we choose. I know we are becoming more and more restricted in what we can do and say by the present government, but an element of free expression remains and we are all free to excercise it, within the accepted bounds of propriety and good manners.

I don’t really see what the issue is here, the tone of this thread is one of abomination toward the people who watch it. Who are we to criticise what people watch & don’t watch? Personally, I watch it, and I watch Strictly, Why? Because it is light entertainment and I don’t take it that seriously.

As for the result last Saturday and people getting knocks all the time, it isn’t about having a knock (r.e. Lucie Jones), it’s about Cowell going back on what he said, he said he will judge the sing-off on the vocals he hears, which he clearly didn’t because Lucie’s attempt was infact excellent.
Cowell took it to the public vote because he knew damn well the weaker act would get through, a weaker act who could potentially make him lots of money, which on the face of it is what it’s about even if people think differently. The ethos sold to the general public is that it’s a show to find talent, not make Cowell an even richer man than he already is, hence the uproar. For that, you cannot blame Mr Layman for posting this type of thread.

I hate to say it so bluntly, but welcome to the real world! Being in music isn’t always fun and it isn’t always a friendly, nice place to be. I’m lucky in that I’m on a less ‘commercial’ side of things and tour with a band I get on with very well. We go out, we gig, mess around, enjoy ourselves and everything’s generally good, but programs like X-Factor are very much not like that. “puss filled talentless rats” or not, if that’s who they can make the most money out of then that’s who they’ll choose. It has nothing whatsoever to do with talent. I have no doubt those talented people who are rejected will question their own ability, but if they’re strong enough and they want to continue singing and performing, then that’s what they’ll do.

If you come into this industry expecting people to kiss your backside and tell you you’re great all the time then forget it, it just isn’t like that. You will get put down occasionally, you will get told home truths you don’t always want to hear and you will go through times where you wonder if it’s all worth it, and the result of this happening is one of two things; you either give up and quit or you drive yourself through it and carry on. I know that sounds an overly simple way of putting it, but however complex performers are as people (I know, I’m one myself and I’m strange at the best of times), that’s essentially how it is. Almost everyone involved in live performance goes through crap times in varying degrees, it’s just a part of it. I know you feel angry the more talented people are being kicked out in favour of the less talented (I haven’t actually seen any of these people so I can’t comment), but again, sadly it’s just part of it.

Paul

From a professional you have summed it up neatly and honestly. And, in any case, “talent” is different things to different people and judged subjectively, not objectively. That’s why these shows have no interest for me whatsoever. And for us the off button is always available or another room if necessary. As I said earlier it astonishes me that so many people can get so worked about it – the grim dancing show on the BBC is in the same vein. It really does not matter a jot who wins and who loses, except for the winnwers and losers themselves, I suppose.:mad:

…but those of us who don’t give a damn about trashy talent shows are increasingly being forced to live with media that is orientated for those that do give a damn…..and are prepared to pay to prove it.

I’m quite happy to live with it – it’s the only time at the weekend that I get the family PC to myself for more than a few minutes. The only problem is pretending to be interested when my wife talks (or rants) about the show later.

becuase trust me, if someone calls yous a good singer then all of a sudden your the crappest of a TV show and booted off over two puss filled talentless rats like that John and Edward, you will question “am I worthy to sing again?”

I hate to say it so bluntly, but welcome to the real world! Being in music isn’t always fun and it isn’t always a friendly, nice place to be. I’m lucky in that I’m on a less ‘commercial’ side of things and tour with a band I get on with very well. We go out, we gig, mess around, enjoy ourselves and everything’s generally good, but programs like X-Factor are very much not like that. “puss filled talentless rats” or not, if that’s who they can make the most money out of then that’s who they’ll choose. It has nothing whatsoever to do with talent. I have no doubt those talented people who are rejected will question their own ability, but if they’re strong enough and they want to continue singing and performing, then that’s what they’ll do.

If you come into this industry expecting people to kiss your backside and tell you you’re great all the time then forget it, it just isn’t like that. You will get put down occasionally, you will get told home truths you don’t always want to hear and you will go through times where you wonder if it’s all worth it, and the result of this happening is one of two things; you either give up and quit or you drive yourself through it and carry on. I know that sounds an overly simple way of putting it, but however complex performers are as people (I know, I’m one myself and I’m strange at the best of times), that’s essentially how it is. Almost everyone involved in live performance goes through crap times in varying degrees, it’s just a part of it. I know you feel angry the more talented people are being kicked out in favour of the less talented (I haven’t actually seen any of these people so I can’t comment), but again, sadly it’s just part of it.

Paul

It’s not a case that I defend it for being a “trashy tv show”, I merely defend the people who I can obviously tell are talented on that show and with experience of being told i’m a rubbish singer of some then all of a sudden being picked for a musicals UK tour cast it can be frustrating to know that the poor people like Lucie and Rachael are feeling hopeless – becuase trust me, if someone calls yous a good singer then all of a sudden your the crappest of a TV show and booted off over two puss filled talentless rats like that John and Edward, you will question “am I worthy to sing again?”

I suspect the 14.5 million viewers of the X-Factor would be completely baffled by the number of post about ‘aeroplanes’ on this forum…

…but those of us who don’t give a damn about trashy talent shows are increasingly being forced to live with media that is orientated for those that do give a damn…..and are prepared to pay to prove it.

I can’t believe that a trashy talent TV show has generated 2 pages of posts! I never knew so many people gave a damn. 😮

However much I dislike the way programs like X-Factor are run, I have to agree! Cowell hasn’t reached the point he’s at without working for it, so good on him in that sense!

Paul

Spot on Paul.

Please tell me you don’t honestly believe the public vote decides everything and the amount of money a record company think they can make plays no part in deciding who makes it and who doesn’t! Cynical maybe, but it’s entirely true. The sole purpose of these programs, whether people want to admit it or not, is to make money. That’s the way it works and sadly that’s how the vast majority of the music industry works. I’m not saying people like Simon Cowell have no interest in music; he clearly does, but he’s primarily a businessman and if he can make more money out of Act A rather than Act B, then A will be the one he goes with. It’s that simple!

Paul

right on the money!!

Think the term your looking for Daz is entrepreneur. 😉

However much I dislike the way programs like X-Factor are run, I have to agree! Cowell hasn’t reached the point he’s at without working for it, so good on him in that sense!

Paul