mattTEJAS
Any one have any updates on the TEJAS? PV1?
mattI want to see it fly first and not fall apart or have wiring trouble or fly by wire trouble before i think about what it will be called and where it may fly.
baby steps.
mattA lot of posters seem to be lamenting indias late intry, if truely it were to be the original PAK FA design that India was signing upto.
firstly addressing the statement : At this stage india would only be funding the PAK-FA project as majority of the design has been completed.
Well the aerodynamic design maybe have been frozen but this isn’t a bad thing, with the full brunt of Russian physics and science behind the aircraft aerodynamics including data from years of wind tunnel test there really is nothing new/original that India could bring to the table at this point no real term value would have been added.
Structurally the aircraft is still young, and this is where Indian engineering can really lend a hand, structural design is just as important as aerodynamics and is one thing that Indian engineers have a lot of experience in doing, although it is mainly number crunching and stressing. Structure design using composites and composite stressing tools is also something the indian engineers will have a lot of experience of. Not ONLY from the LCA project but also due to the tremendous amount of outsourcing that is being done by western countries to India in the above decipline.
In this field and with this in view India WILL be able to C0-DESISN the aircrafts STRUCTURE.
Their is also the case of productionisation, after the Initial idea has been frozen engineers will have to go through many hundreds of trials to form/fabricate evaluate and re-form and re-evaluate the production techniques before it can be accepted as a production item. This is another field that India will be able to lend a hand.
Along with these above hurdles their will also be other less glamourous challanges aviation fans dont like to think about. New NDT techniques may have to be developed for the aircraft, new bonding methodologies, repair schemes, new tooling also needs to be developed all needing their own R&D.
lastly: Who is it to decide what of the many blue sky ideas need to be incorporated into the aircraft to make it fifth gen?
what if this project involves the use of a tailess blended wing body using forward swet wing tips and wing lets? Does it suddenly propel the aircraft into the realms of being a 6th generation?
mattIt maybe in Indias interest to purchase the Mig 35 and flood some money into the factories so they can spend more money on RND.
mattI am clueless as to which part of my post gives you the idea that i am making such an assumption. I am merely saying that in spite of all hoo haa and articles stating this and that, Russia has not been able to field anything on the scale of F-22/JSF and that it would take them years before they could do so. Of course, goal posts have been moved and Russia might indeed be planning to field something even better than current F-22- say a 5.5 gen fighter. However, by then F-22 should be rather mature tech and its evolution would already be underway.
The russians easily have the capabilities to field something that is physically and mechanically similar to the JSF or F22 in the next 10 years. (asuming you do not want a VTOL aircraft)..
the electronics can always be upgraded as and when needed.
mattsince India will be building they should use composite experiance from LCA. 50% should be starting point. although MIG-35 is very light aircraft for twin engine.
where do you devine these things from?
mattConsidering the time it has taken to develop F-22/JSF, it would take Russian years before they could produce an equivalent. Of course, they could do it a lot quicker by downgrading the requirements.
It doesnt have to be like that at all. a lot of the work that was done for the F-22 and the JSF came into the CAI and other such production development programs that may not need to be conducted, the general theory behind stealth hasnt changed since the 40’s their are other things such as current engines etc that could be used.
if you take away those programs you could cut down the time to bring the aircraft to market. however since you cant outsource the production of the parts your in stuck and would have to pay for a even higher price then you are doing at the moment.
Russia would not have such problems..
mattyes finland, canada, australia and kuwait none of them are airforces that really expect to fight a real war without hiding behind USA’s skirt. Any hangar queen would fit these airforces. Really canada and kuwait are your idea of modern well equipped airforces??
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Arguing for the sake of it is just getting very irritating..
Canada has probably been in more OVERSEAS deployments then India where its airforce and Aircraft have conducted military action on a pariah state.
matti am sure america will have a few copies of this by the end of the decade in some secret squadron of enemy aircraft that doesnt really exist but does.
so their is one of your export markets right their
mattFears over £3.6bn plan for new carriers
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:58am GMT 06/01/2007
Fears are growing among Royal Navy chiefs that the Ministry of Defence’s delay in signing a contract for two major aircraft carriers could signal the project’s demise.
The new aircraft carriers are intended to be the cornerstone of the Fleet for the next 50 years
The 60,000-tonne warships, to carry 42 Joint Strike Fighters, are designed to be the cornerstone of the Fleet for the next half century.
But delays over signing the full contract to build them have led to concern that the project might be sacrificed to make a major defence saving.
The MoD has given defence contractors a £3.6 billion budget to build the Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales but the industry has insisted on a further £200 million to deliver the first ship by 2012.
Further stalling has been caused by the MoD insisting on the four major companies, led by BAe Systems, effectively to unite into a single company to build the ships. Legal wrangling over this could lead to a year’s delay.
advertisementWith at least £20 billion being allotted to replace the Trident nuclear deterrent over the next two decades, there are fears that one of the Armed Forces’ half a dozen major projects will be shelved.
“If we don’t get the two carriers, then effectively there is no real point in us having any surface fleet at all except for home defence,” a senior Navy officer said. “Without that four acres of floating British territory, we will also not be able to project any authority in any part of the globe.”
The MoD said it was “fully committed” to the carrier project and “steady progress” was being made.
mattPromotion freezes as cuts bite in Navy
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 8:13am GMT 06/01/2007
Promotion for Royal Navy officers is to be frozen for five years in a cost-cutting measure that has caused fury in the Fleet, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.
If the warship cuts go ahead, 1,500 sailors will probably lose their jobs
Morale is plummeting as officers stand to lose more than £10,000 a year in pay.
An official Navy document passed to this newspaper states that all promotions to the rank of Lieutenant Commander or above will be halted until 2012. The internal memo, labelled Galaxy 36/06, said that a temporary halt will be required to “rebalance in favour of the front line”.
With billions being spent on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and on costly procurement programmes, the Ministry of Defence is desperate to make savings. The Navy has become a target and proposals to retire a further six frigates and destroyers to bring budgets into line were revealed by The Telegraph yesterday. The fleet will lose almost half its warships with 19 out of 44 laid up in port.
If the warship cuts go ahead, 1,500 sailors will probably lose their jobs in a service that has already been reduced to 36,000 personnel in recent years.
advertisementIt has also been proposed that the 2,900 sailors of the Royal Navy Reserve, which provides a backbone in many specialist areas, will be cut by as much as 20 per cent. There are going to be reductions too in the 1,000 sailors in the Full Time Reserve Service who are asked back to do specific jobs to fill gaps.
The leaked memo, from Vice-Admiral Adrian Johns, the Second Sea Lord, said: “In order to rebalance in favour of the front line we are focusing on officers of Lieutenant Commander and above. I anticipate a temporary reduction in promotion numbers primarily in the officer cadre for the period 2008 to 2010 and recovering to present levels in 2012.”
A serving Lieutenant Commander, equivalent to an Army major, who is currently paid £45,000 a year, described the freeze as “an absolute outrage”. “People who have worked extremely hard and given their careers to the Navy, have bled for the Navy are now being rewarded like this, he said. “It is also a real kick in the teeth for those commanders who will now probably never have the chance to captain a ship.”
Another officer based in Portsmouth, with 27 years service, including action in the Falklands war, was told by his commander that he should start looking for another job.
“I’m in the position of five years until retirement and after having given 27 years service it’s now ‘so long and thanks for all the fish’,” he said.
The Navy is so desperate for savings that it has also proposed putting middle-ranking officers on placements in the defence industry to save on their office overheads.
It would like to axe scores of senior men but cannot afford the redundancy payments in the short term.
Some officers believe the promotion freeze is part of a plan to force them into early retirement.
The brother of another serving officer said there was discussion about suing the MoD for constructive dismissal. “We wonder whether it is a deliberate ploy to get people like him to leave the service,” he said.
There are also fears that the promotion freeze will have a negative effect on recruiting bright young officers to a service suffering substantial manning problems. The details on the promotion freeze and RNR cuts are expected in March.
But Lewis Page, a former Navy officer who wrote Lions, Donkeys and Dinosaurs, an acclaimed book about MoD overspending, said cuts were necessary for the 1,100 Lt Commanders in the Navy because a “staggering” 17 of the rank were based ashore for every one at sea.
“It is becoming increasingly difficult to find even vaguely relevant employment for them all,” he said.
A Navy spokesman said the Service was working hard to be more efficient “so that we can focus more of our resources on the front line”. “As a result, we have warned our people that there may be a temporary reduction in a few promotion opportunities, particularly for senior officers in headquarters posts.”
The Tories accused the Government of “destroying” the Navy over the past decade and refusing to accept its responsibility to defend the nation by slashing the number of ships to pay for Iraq and Afghanistan.
Julian Lewis, the Tory defence spokesman, said: “You can’t mortgage the future of the Armed Forces by cutting them to pieces in order to pay for a current campaign.”
News of the promotions freeze comes as the Ministry of Defence announced it would extend the maximum recruitment age for the Army from 26 to 33.
It was revealed before Christmas that soldiers will be allowed to serve until they are 55 from next year.
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mattI am actually going to write to the Telegraph about this article, not only is it full flawed generalisations but the writing style is like something from a 1st year under-graduate at Wolverhampton University. Certainly not something I would expect from one of the more high brow UK news papers.:mad:
lol oi! do you mind, one of my close friends is from wolverhampton!..i sure her english was a lot worse!
mattI understand what you say but it isnt the MOD who are giving BAe bad press its their own shinanigans also.
its not something the MOD peddles infact i am sure a lot of the ministers benifit from the firms good fortunes at times.
I can understand that moving goal posts is something that would/could/does happen.
but its also a case of too many fat cats and officers from an era where the firm was a government firm.
mattwell no point in having shiney ships if they arent going to use them.
what they need to do is sort out their procurement issues and stop relying on a bullying defence firm. if you look at all the programs that are late or over budge ONE single firm stands out in all of them.
and that firm needs to be kicked out. It is costing the british armed forces and the british tax payers too much money.
As for iraq and afghanistan, i do believe that afghanistan is a good move, iraq however is not.
mattyou would be hard pressed to find all the ICAO codes for free, however one source you could try is NIMA.
word or warning on those, (unless you are using it for fun.) from past experience working with a charting firm a lot of the Australian ones do not match so well the the chinese indonesian and malaysian ones are also relatively random.
either way NIMA would probably be one of the best places for Icao codes and also Run lats and longs.
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