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    Navy Opts for Speed, Innovation in LCS Design Winners

    Variety in Lockheed, General Dynamics Proposals May Provide Future Tradeoffs

    By DAVID W. MUNNS
    Assistant Editor

    The Navy underscored its sense of urgency and determination to foster new technologies with the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) program by awarding two final system design contracts with options for detail design and construction to Lockheed Martin’s Maritime Systems & Sensors Division and General Dynamics Bath Iron Works, while rejecting a bid by Raytheon.

    The two winning contractors will design and build up to two ships each in this phase of the program.

    Lockheed offered a more traditional approach with a semi-planing monohull design, emphasizing low-cost construction and proven ship architecture. General Dynamics’ design featured a larger ship size and included more innovative technologies, such as composite materials and a transformational trimaran hull design.

    Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Vern Clark expressed the need for expediency in the execution of the LCS program noting, “LCS will deliver capabilities to enable our Navy to dominate in this critical littoral region.” He emphasized that the ships will be a vital component of naval strike groups, adding, “We need this ship today.”

    John J. Young, Jr., assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, said, “The acquisition team is successfully changing how we buy ships — completing the source selection on schedule and developing affordable designs that can adapt to changing technology.”

    Rear Adm. Charles S. Hamilton II, program executive officer for naval ships, declined to comment on why Raytheon’s bid was turned down, but did say “technical, management and cost factors” facilitated the Navy’s decision. He noted that Raytheon had “a very interesting design, but did not measure as well against some of [the other] criteria” as did the General Dynamics and Lockheed Martin teams.

    A Washington, D.C.-based naval analyst said the decision gives the Navy maximum opportunity for tradeoffs between the two winners because of the variance between the designs, pointing to the speed and lift of Lockheed’s design as a more traditional approach, whereas General Dynamics offered a more transformational design by using composite materials and more leading edge technologies.

    General Dynamics was awarded approximately $78.8 million while Lockheed Martin’s contract award was $46.5 million. The variance in award amounts was attributed to Lockheed’s aggressive low-cost proposal, which was achieved by investing large amounts of money in its program to ensure its final design is ready so production can begin in January 2005.

    The analyst suggested that General Dynamics and Raytheon both used transformational approaches to their proposed build; however General Dynamics was able to provide a greater comfort level for production than the Raytheon team.

    The Navy awarded $10 million LCS preliminary design contracts on July 17, 2003, to General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. The final design phase of the program continues through Jan. 18, 2005, when the Navy plans to exercise the program’s first construction option. The service plans to award a second construction option on Dec. 31, 2005.

    Over the long term, the LCS program could produce as many as 56 hulls, under the Navy’s notional force structure plan, or as few as 37 hulls, should the fleet force structure remain below 300 ships. LCS could be worth almost $4 billion through fiscal year 2009, with a scheduled procurement of nine hulls.

    The LCS designs will be based on new hull forms with new propulsion systems and drafts of 20 feet or less. The key characteristics of the new ships will be economical loiter speeds, sustained high transit speeds, sprint capability of 40-50 knots and low sensor signature. LCS will have basic systems including guns, missiles and countermeasures for self defense; integrated navigation and command-and-control systems; and a small core crew to man the vessel.

    The distinguishing characteristics of the LCS hulls will be their mission modules. The Navy plans three types of modules, or packages of equipment, which could be loaded and unloaded depending on the type of mission the LCS ships undertake. One type of mission module will contain improved detection, surveillance and defensive equipment for antisubmarine warfare. Another will include systems for defeating surface threats, such as small boats. A third type of module will contain equipment to accelerate mine warfare missions.

    Competitors Look to Challenges Ahead With Eye on Next Phase of Program

    By HUNTER C. KEETER
    Associate Editor

    With the smoke clearing from the first round of competition in the Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) program, executives from the competing companies, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, said their goals for the future are challenging but achievable.

    The Navy plans to contract detailed design and construction of the first LCS hull at the beginning of fiscal year 2005, and the second at the beginning of fiscal 2006. “Flight 0” is the Navy’s term for the first generation of these new surface combatants. In fiscal 2005, the Navy plans to request proposals for a “Flight 1” LCS concept design, representing the second generation in development and an opportunity for new competition. A detailed design and construction of a Flight 1 LCS hull is scheduled for fiscal 2008, with delivery of the third ship in the class by fiscal 2010.

    Tom Vecchiolla, Raytheon’s integrated defense systems director of naval systems, said his firm would continue to look for opportunities to contribute to the program, though it was unsuccessful in its bid for a Flight 0 contract.

    “We are very interested in participating again [in the Flight 1 competition] in order to provide the Navy and the taxpayers the opportunity to get the best system at the best value,” Vecchiolla told Sea Power.

    He set aside the notion that the Navy’s decision against Raytheon’s Flight 0 design was an implicit criticism of the firm’s past performance. The Navy provided all three firms a detailed debriefing on the positives and negatives of their proposals.

    “We did not see shortfalls as contributing toward the down-select decision for LCS,” Vecchiolla said.

    Technologies from its Flight 0 bid that Raytheon hopes to apply elsewhere include its systems integration approach into what the Navy has called the “total ship computing environment.” This environment comprises the hardware and software that manages ships’ functions. Raytheon is contracted to develop computing suites for several ship programs, based on the firm’s Ship Self-Defense System. Vecchiolla said he would combine those efforts with the total ship computing environment in development for LCS, the DD(X), the LPD-17 and other new ship classes.

    Raytheon views the Navy’s DD(X) program — a new multimission surface combatant program running parallel to the LCS effort — as one of the “crown jewels” of its naval systems programs directorate.

    “The Navy is using the DD(X) technology engine as a key aspect of the LCS program and leveraging that across the family of ships and systems,” Vecchiolla said. “We see our role in that effort continuing.”

    For the Lockheed Martin team, which won a $46 million first-round contract for a steel, semi-planing monohull design, the challenge ahead is to sustain the effort that has brought success

    in the Flight 0 competition, ensuring the ability to produce a ship to the promised schedule and budget specifications.

    Fred Moosally, president of Lockheed Martin Naval Electronics & Surveillance Systems, said another near-term focus would be to convince doubters on Capitol Hill that LCS is the right horse on which to bet.

    “We will work very hard to allay the concerns of the people in Congress with the maturity of the program,” he said. “We can convince Congress that we have a very mature design that is ready to be built today and there is no reason for a delay in the program.”

    Carol Hulgus, vice president of programs at Lockheed Martin Maritime Systems & Sensors, said while there remained the “temptation” to look forward to the Flight 1 competition, or to international sales opportunities, her firm would concentrate on the task at hand.

    “This team is going to stay very focused on delivering on the promise that we made to the Navy. They will get their [Flight 0] ship on time and at the price that we contracted for,” she said.

    Executives with General Dynamics Bath Iron Works declined to comment on the challenges ahead in developing LCS or to what use they will put the lion’s share of the Flight 0 detailed design contract funding. The company won almost $79 million for its aluminum and steel trimaran concept.

    General Dynamics spokesman Kendell Pease told Sea Power Bath Iron Works was going to “design the ship and build it,” but offered no further comment. nhe Navy awarded $10 million LCS preliminary design contracts on July 17, 2003, to General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. The final design phase of the program continues through Jan. 18, 2005, when the Navy plans to exercise the program’s first construction option. The service plans to award a second construction option on Dec. 31, 2005.

    Over the long term, the LCS program could produce as many as 56 hulls, under the Navy’s notional force structure plan, or as few as 37 hulls, should the fleet force structure remain below 300 ships. LCS could be worth almost $4 billion through fiscal year 2009, with a scheduled procurement of nine hulls.

    The LCS designs will be based on new hull forms with new propulsion systems and drafts of 20 feet or less. The key characteristics of the new ships will be economical loiter speeds, sustained high transit speeds, sprint capability of 40-50 knots and low sensor signature. LCS will have basic systems including guns, missiles and countermeasures for self defense; integrated navigation and command-and-control systems; and a small core crew to man the vessel.

    The distinguishing characteristics of the LCS hulls will be their mission modules. The Navy plans three types of modules, or packages of equipment, which could be loaded and unloaded depending on the type of mission the LCS ships undertake. One type of mission module will contain improved detection, surveillance and defensive equipment for antisubmarine warfare. Another will include systems for defeating surface threats, such as small boats. A third type of module will contain equipment to accelerate mine warfare missions.

    in reply to: Submariners #2075719
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    Chinese produce new type of sub

    By Bill Gertz
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    China’s naval buildup has produced a new type of attack submarine that U.S. intelligence did not know was under construction, according to U.S. defense and intelligence officials.
    The submarine was spotted several weeks ago for the first time and has been designated by the Pentagon as the first Yuan-class of submarine.

    A photograph of the completed submarine in the water at China’s Wuhan shipyard was posted on a Chinese Internet site this week and confirmed by a defense official as the new submarine. Wuhan is located inland, some 420 miles west of Shanghai.
    One official said the new submarine was a “technical surprise” to U.S. intelligence, which was unaware that Beijing was building a new non-nuclear powered attack submarine. U.S. intelligence agencies have few details about the new submarine but believe it is diesel-powered rather than nuclear-powered, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
    The new boat, which appears to be a combination of indigenous Chinese hardware and Russian weapons, suggests that China is building up its submarine forces in preparation for a conflict over Taiwan, defense analysts say.
    “China has decided submarines are its first-line warships now, their best shot at beating carriers,” said Sid Trevethan, an Alaska-based specialist on the Chinese military. “And China is right.”
    “One has to marvel at the enormity of the investment by the People’s Liberation Army in submarines,” said Richard Fisher, a specialist on the Chinese military.
    China also is building two nuclear-powered submarines — one Type 093, believed to be based on the Russian Victor-III class and armed with intercontinental ballistic missiles, and a Type 094 attack submarine, which the Pentagon believes has a finished hull and will be ready for deployment next year.
    According to Mr. Trevethan, China currently has a force of 57 deployed submarines, including one Xia-class nuclear ballistic missile submarine, five Han submarines, four Kilos, seven Songs, 18 Mings and 22 Soviet-designed Romeos. Beijing also has eight more Kilos on order with Russia.
    Disclosure of the new submarine comes as the United States is trying to sell eight diesel submarines to Taiwan, which Beijing views as a breakaway province. Taiwan currently has just two World War II-era Guppy-class submarines and two 1980s Dutch submarines.
    Mr. Fisher, an analyst with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said that despite the imbalance of power on the Taiwan Strait in favor of Beijing, the Bush administration has been slow to sell the submarines it offered Taiwan in April 2001.
    “It is simply appalling that the United States cannot get its act together to organize the production of eight new submarines for Taiwan,” Mr. Fisher said.
    U.S. defense officials have said delays with the Taiwan submarine deal are the result of the Taipei government’s budget problems.
    Chinese leaders told National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice last week that China would “not sit idly by” as Taiwan moved toward formal independence, and President Hu Jintao denounced U.S. weapons sales to Taiwan.
    But Miss Rice said the United States will go ahead with its Taiwan arms sales plan because of China’s missile buildup opposite the island.
    A Pentagon report made public in May stated that China is changing its warship forces from a coastal defense force to one employing “active offshore defense.”
    “This change in operations requires newer, more modern warships and submarines capable of operating at greater distances from China’s coast for longer periods,” the report said, noting that submarine construction is a top priority.
    Mr. Fisher said the Chinese submarine buildup should prompt the Pentagon to step up U.S. anti-submarine warfare capabilities, which he said are “at an historic low” because of cutbacks in specialized ships and aircraft.
    The Navy should consider building its own diesel attack submarine to be able to “effectively duke it out with the new tidal wave of Chinese subs, that if left unchecked, may soon dominate the Asian littoral regions,” Mr. Fisher said.
    The Pentagon is also building up U.S. naval forces in the Pacific, with the addition of up to six attack submarines in Guam and the possible deployment of an aircraft carrier battle group to Hawaii in the coming months.

    washington times.http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040716-123134-8152r.htm

    in reply to: India vs China's navy. Which one is better? #2075720
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    In summary the Indian navy is doing a much better job fulfilling the mandates of its mission.

    This is on the proviso that the current administration is sympathetic to the needs of the navy and its role in patrolling the Indian ocean, Indian Navy has already given out a small warning of how much it needs to induct ships faster just to compensate for ships that are going out of service or will go out of service, and if this is not done then their will be a reduction in the navy.

    Having said that this seems to be more of a problem with submarine force then any of the others.

    in reply to: Naval news #2075799
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    aah cool..cheers Ja.

    in reply to: RIAT #2667529
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    well the BBC says its going to be bad weather dont see the typhoon flying in the wrong kind of weather.. ooh lol got to love southwest trains for coming up with these excuses..lol..

    in reply to: Naval news #2075805
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    i recall hearing about it setting off mines..lol but but cant remember how it came about, it was something to do with the rivets/bolts used for reinforcing the hull material thickness wise.. they changed it to plastic ones or something now sure..bleh i wish i had written it down instead of my actual lecture notes..lol

    in reply to: RIAT #2667701
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    in reply to: RIAT #2667706
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    i am looking for Wide angles and ND filters

    if your in the UK try jessops.

    not sure what would fit onto that camera..though ud have to ask sony..but it is a very excellent camera

    in reply to: RIAT #2667718
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    thx..will make sure i get a tripod i am also searching for some lenses..

    have you tried dpreview for lenses ? are you looking for ND filters ? or red filters for contrast? what type are you loooking for ?

    in reply to: RIAT #2667770
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    DROOLS TOO…btw just bought the F717. it should be delivered by tommorow or day after..do u guys think it will be good for air show photography etc…

    http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/180x180/DSCF717.jpg

    Yeah its a good camera, just know how to use it. try to not use higher ISO levels if you can, take a tripod if you must but might not be needed depending on the situation. learn how to use the rapid shooting modes and also metering.

    in reply to: Brimstone #2060726
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    is it true the Apache cant fire the main guns without firing all its hellfires ?

    in reply to: RIAT #2667915
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    Add another four Dutchies to that soon, I’m leaving for Fairford with three more tomorrow night. 😀

    Ill be the one with the Fuji film boxes and hopefully a digi cam as well.

    in reply to: Naval news #2075907
    matt
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    that’s right so they did!

    Ja i have been trying to think what problems they have on the RN sweepers but cant remember.. I do remember that the materials on the ship were actually had better properties after they were in service for a few years. (curing characteristics of the matrix they used.)

    in reply to: Naval news #2075929
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    yeah id like to see how they get on with those mine hunters.. Iirc the VT guys had some interesting times.. when they build them for the RN.

    in reply to: RIAT #2668130
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    Wow soo many dutchie people.. i am gonna go shoot me some tourists! lol (with camera.)

    any Aviations guys who havent got bulk film Fujifilm are doing a deal it seems on their ISO200/24 exposure film. pack of five for 8 pounds.

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