How dare you ? Don’t you see.. GTRE has to account every paisa spent… naah almosts drained in river Kaveri…. to him?

Not only to him but every indian tax payer.

Sorry there is NO WAY that you could back up the idea Klimov has more advanced technology then RR!:eek:

Even in Russia Klimov is behind the curve! What planet are you on?!

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Ah hang on could be a miss read ie: Klimov is second as read by you?

Well I didn’t say more advanced then GE, I said run for money…then again I think you will find areas where GE is better and areas where RR is better. Certainly their late generation civil engines are very competitive with each other.

Second part RR might be more advanced than Klimov but not GE or SNECMA. plus you have to look at things in light of the civil sector, and year RR might have been strong historically for a period, the current leadership and resource is questionable. They sat on their lorrals with 285 and have taken a hammering.

I somehow doubt it. They are lacking more in the way of expertise than just materials

Spot on! Avoid RR however… Snecma,Ge and or Klimov would be a good step on the ladder.

Matt, what is your view point? Can you please just state it properly rather than one-liner rants here and there, in order to have a meaningful discussion.

Dont you need to have more than a paragraph to qualify for a rant?

you’re being generic, once again.

GTRE knows how to build an engine- and also how to design one. After all their prototypes have been tested on the ground for several thousand hours. Curse them as much as you will but they are not wizards, and if India seriously wanted them to develop a world-class turbofan then it needed billions of $ in investment in high-tech R&D and testing facilities. Not piece meal funding that only miracle workers like yourself can produce results with. They did what they could with the funding they had, and now India at least has an engine that is flying on a test-bed and a base level from which to build on.

To gauge what kind of expenditure companies have to make to build a turbofan these days, go and check up the timelines and the budget of Snecma on the M-88 program. That despite having decades of turbofan experience.

The Kaveri K9 has been flying on the IL-76 test bed, which wouldn’t have been possible had it not met quality and reliability parameters during ground testing. The issue has been (and acknowledged by GTRE) to be due to weight, which is in part due to lack of certain higher end metallurgical know-how. THAT is what they will be looking to gain most. Your patronising comments about “earn about how to manufacture and design jet engines from a company that has significantly more years of experience” makes it look like they’ve done zilch so far. Which is very far from the truth, even by your standards.

The issue as it stands right now is that the original thrust requirement of 81 kN doesn’t any more meet the Tejas’ requirements (a recent GTRE official’s statement said that they’d successfully reached 80 kN thrust), which means that it has reached a dead-end operationally speaking. In most engineering projects, it is the last 5-10% of performance that ends up being very difficult to achieve and that is being seen here as well.

But keeping in mind that the AMCA’s engine needs to be viable technologically for thrust upgrades for a much longer time, the aim will now be to change the architecture of the engine as required for two things. First to reach the new thrust requirement (90kN+) while being as light as possible and secondly to have it be reliable and have growth potential.

So what exactly are you saying? When you get a bit more experience you will realise I wasn’t being generic at all.

Atleast GTRE can point out to jv partner: “What should not be done” and “What technology you ought to bring it on to the table for joint development”

GTRE main aim would be to gain more on alloy/material know how for core section, rather than getting a KT on “How to design a Jet Engine”….

GTRE would be very stupid/arrogant if it did not take advantage and learn about how to manufacture and design jet engines from a company that has significantly more years of experience.

Because there is no time for a step by step ladder development approach, which is the entire reason the process is being shortcut by asking Snecma to join in!

Thats the point. Your ladder development approach may actually be more expensive as thanks to the time taken, imports may be used again for future programs, which means that cost has to be factored in. With so many factors to consider, evaluating on the basis of cost is uncertain.

Dont understand you

Israel and India have apparently made some progress on the pre-contract phase of the UAS which are basically unmanned Chetaks. Take note contract is not yet signed…

So this could take a lot more years to come to fruition if it does.

But it seems like good news, could have 3-4 helos flying autonomously around aircraft carriers in ship defence role sometime in the future will need something like this as the Indian Oceon is going to be full of submarines soon.

Anyone know if India is planning to have a missile boat that does not rely on Brahmos as its main armament?