In 2002 I thought it was quite a logical choice, but was rejected by the government for a paper plane (JSF), one of the reasons was the Typhoon wouldn’t be ready in 2012, and was more expensive than the cheap $30m JSF.

So they went with the JSF:confused: now we have had to buy 24 SH to tide us over and possibly another 24 soon. LOL

You couldn’t make it up really!!

They knew too well that it would’ve been ready by 2012 and more than likely to be cheaper too at this rate. (Remember, the US DoD really, really don’t like LM boasting the $65 million figure for the F-35 which suggests it’s going to cost way more than that). I reckon LM spoon fed the Australian government this nonsense from the beginning. They bitten, LM got the sale.

IMO it still is a logical choice to go with the Typhoon. If only the Ozzie government woke up. And lets also be honest, they’ll certainly have a hell of a lot more freedom with the Typhoon than they will with the F-35.

(Of course certain F-35 supporters are going to disagree & claim it’s superior in everyway possible blah blah…)

You never know what might happen in the end.

Australia finally gets a look at the Typhoon..

There are two Typhoons on deployment to Malaysia at the moment. the pictures are here:-

http://images.airforce.gov.au/fotoweb/Grid.fwx?archiveId=5000&search=%28IPTC105%20contains%28Bersama%20Lima%202011%29%29

If you look at the last picture on page 4 with the RAAF chappie in the cockpit, download it it shows the emergency flight instruments panel open its first time I’ve seen that.

Its the panel on the far right of the cockpit next the the right MFD it has a couple of analogue type dials in it.

Cheers

Thanks for those images, Jwcook.

I can’t help but think that the RAF chappie is saying to the RAAF chappie: “This is what you could have, mate!”

Shame…

Interesting. If the Pilum is offered in different weight classes it would probably make it a worthy alternative to the Paveway type bombs. Or is that a bit too early to claim?

The part I was curious about was which hard points would they be carried on. The two most outer A/A-A/G (inbetween the wet point & A/A point) would be handy and the centre station would also be handy, too.

If they’re ones in the 250-500kg class weights then there would most certainly be a good chance to carry up five of these cruise/glide missiles and still have the wet points free for drop tanks. And of course the six other hard points for A/A missiles. Not a bad weapons fit.

Woah, been a long time since I’ve witnessed so many posts being posted on the MMRCA thread at any one time for quite a while. I’d imagine it’d be quite a hassle to get a word in edge ways come 1st January, or slightly sooner.

@Swerve, thanks for the Typhoon figures wrt price you posted.

I’ve noticed a few members discussing the technical trials and whom came out on top out of the two shortlisted fighters. One must take into account the requirements for the MMRCA and although those letters obviously stand for ‘Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft’, despite this, India’s basic requirement still calls for an air defence fighter. Which indicates A/G is a secondary role, of which is still important.

One also has to take a little bit of a deeper look into the IAF’s requirements for the MMRCA and of where abouts they’d be based; i.e. at high altitude, north/north-east region of India – hot, humid & high conditions to operate in – and the potential threat(s) that could from around that particular area of the world.

During the technical trials it was no surprise that the Typhoon performed best in these conditions; I mentioned a few weeks ago (quoting from a hard copy of a source, not my personal words) that the Typhoon was the only fighter to perform take-offs, perform a display then land with a full A/A and drop tank load while only operating with one engine, in the conditions mentioned above.

With the IAF’s MMRCA requirements in mind; one could not be surprised that various sources (professional defence analysts) stated the Typhoon met the most of the 600+ technicalities out of all.

(Of course, unsurprisingly some Rafale supporters are going to claim otherwise on this, so. Believe what one reckons.)

Some might question the above & again, claim otherwise, but they came from the same group of analysts that predicted the Typhoon and Rafale had been shortlisted a few weeks before it was officially announced. The same lot also stated the Typhoon had an overall ‘favourable price.’ Predicting which aircraft would be shortlisted could be looked upon as a coincidence & very little, if anything at all thought of it. The ‘favourable price’ statement? Well, I don’t think anyone would have imagined the price difference of both aircraft to be so tiny, less than 5% (despite many Rafale supporters claiming the Typhoon price is much, much higher…And I certainly didn’t expect it to be so small, I must be honest) and Dassault’s words on the difficulties of meeting the offsets…

…Well, make of what one thinks of it.

Thanks, Quadbike for the quote.

would make it as costly as the JSF. 😀
over the full production run unit cost for both should be around $ 80-90 million.

Yes, *thinking* I may have over exaggerated that figure. 😀

In one case the co-development will be for new projects: conformal side AESA antenas, GaN AESA, sattelite data link, AESA wave forming, data link and jaming, carrier version, nuke, new comon missiles, etc.
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Most systems you mention come as part of the Tranche 3 package, Captor-E/GaN, DASS, communication systems, data links and jamming etc. The weapons would most certainly be that of European via MBDA of which India are showing an interest in.

A carrier version is of non-importance since the IAF don’t have any carriers and the IN are in the process of taking delivery of their Mig-29Ks.

Nuke capabilities are not exactly sought after since their MK1s and Mirages are capable of nuclear strike.

Well, well, then being a native Englishman seems not to
include the fair-play and gentleman attitude that used to
be associated with your great nation anymore, does it?

Two types of people with opinions; those who have a respectable ones and those who have narrow minded ones. Unfortunately for your fellow countryman its the latter, so one can question why he recieves such flak.

You people ( all three ) also seem hell-bent on proving your
respective sides to be whinier than the other.

Give Bluewings a lesson in common sense & things might be a bit better around here.

SPECTRA and MMI are top notch versatile products.
Advantage Rafale.

That’s nice, top notch, advantage to the Rafale anyway…

P.S. For the umpteenth time, omnirole means all roles at
all times and multirole means most/all roles at diff. times.

Just the same as swingrole then, of which the Typhoon is considered to be, or shall be anyway. Both have something in common then. 😉

Math? I didn’t know you were American.

Oh god no! If I was I would say I was Canadian. Girlfriend’s fault, she uses that term…and “semester”, and “Hi” & “Awesome”, so I kind of picked it up. Not good…Especially with a Geordie accent. 😀

£120-125 million isn’t flyaway cost, or production cost. The production contracts have all been for far less than that, & so have the export sales to date. India won’t pay anywhere near that for the aircraft. The Saudis paid £61.5 mn per aircraft, & although it’s never been completely clear what was in the contract, it seems to have been for more than just the bare aircraft. The Austrians originally contracted for 63 mn euros apiece including a 7% export levy, i.e. 59 mn euros per aircraft. Prices may have gone up since then, but not more than doubled.

Note that we’re bound not to sell them for less than our own armed forces pay.

Nobody tries to recover all the development costs from export contracts, unless the aircraft is specifically developed for an export customer, e.g. F-16E.

I see. But Saudi Typhoons aren’t Tranche 3 where as the Indian’s will be, if they select it. The £120+ million figure is something I picked up via various sources & just took note of it for future reference. But thanks for the insight anyway, Swerve.

So, what figure would one expect India to pay per aircraft wrt to Typhoon Tranche 3, roughly?