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  • in reply to: Air Ops Over Libya (Part Deux) #2313455
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    RAF Tornado and Typhoon jets have been in action together with Army Apache attack helicopters as rebel forces in Libya clash with government troops.

    There has been intense fighting around the rebel-held town of Misrata as rebels launched an offensive to push Gaddafi’s forces back from their positions.

    Apaches were called in from HMS Ocean after a NATO surveillance vessel detected high speed inflatable boats about to attack the harbour.

    Meanwhile Tornado and Typhoon ground attack aircraft conducted strikes against two of Gaddafi’s ammunition depots at Waddan and Al Qaryat Ash Sharqiyah, destroying nine underground storage bunkers.

    http://bfbs.com/news/top-story/rebels-push-apaches-and-raf-fighters-strike-gaddafis-forces-48530.html

    in reply to: Close Air Support – debate in US #2313489
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    The catch is that £4,000 figure is not in line with everything else that has been stated,
    i believe he referred to fuel cost only.

    No, he defenetly said operating cost per flight hour.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread IV #2313521
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    Eurofighter & its users very rarely publish anything about what they have achieved against other aircraft, last time they did was when a couple of Spanish Typhoons owned a bunch of USAF F-15s IIRC. The rest is a matter of finding a lucky snapshot of a Typhoon with, for example, a single Luftwaffe Typhoon with around 12 kills marked just below its cockpit or an Italian Typhoon with 5 kills painted on it. Theres no doubt that theres been other exercises where they’ve claimed a greater number of simulated kills but I get the impression that Eurofighter GmbH would rather boast their record where and when it matters, i.e. during a sales pitch for a potential buyer. Us ‘Minions’ don’t always need to know.

    Like others have pointed out, myself included, show the real results and the Typhoon will have a greater number of kills in its favour. Showing an image of a Typhoon in ones HUD on a forum isn’t going to change any potential buyers mind.

    in reply to: Close Air Support – debate in US #2313748
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    No, today it should be close to $20.000

    here’s an ole discussion

    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=95008

    The £4,000 figure I posted came from a press conference where Air Vice Marshal Greg Bagwell took part in – as was mentioned in Air International.

    The figures the author posted on that particular thread, came from no sources where as the one you posted on #9 came from critics. Not saying they’re wrong or even correct for that matter, it looks a random number picked out of the bag to me.

    in reply to: Close Air Support – debate in US #2313980
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    The AH-64 costs more than $5,000 per flight hour to operate.

    $5,000 per flight hour to operate?

    According to Air Vice Marshal Greg Bagwell RAF, the Typhoon operating cost per flight hour is £4,000 as of December 2010. Thats around $6,500 US if I’m not mistaken, is it not?

    Seems a lot for a rotary wing aircraft.

    in reply to: Air Ops Over Libya (Part Deux) #2314284
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    UK Armed Forces were again in action yesterday (Jun 9) over Libya, with RAF Tornado and Typhoon aircraft destroying four of Colonel Gaddafi’s main battle tanks near Zlitan.

    To the south, near Bani Walid, the RAF aircraft also attacked a tank transporter, and another patrol engaged a self-propelled gun near Gharyan.

    Major General Nick Pope, the Chief of the Defence Staff’s Strategic Communications Officer, said:

    “Off Misurata, HMS Ocean launched British Army Apache helicopters to attack a regime military communications installation and multiple rocket launcher which had been identified by NATO surveillance operations.”

    “Both targets were destroyed and the helicopters returned safely to Ocean.”

    http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/UkTroopsContinueToDestroyGaddafiAssets.htm

    in reply to: Rafale News X #2314289
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    It’s pretty obvious. A missile dedicated to WVR fighting (i.e short range) will be more agile than the MICA in WVR. The MICA is supposed to be both, which is a compromise between BVR and WVR. I’m not saying that it is a bad missile, just that a dedicated weapon is better at what it does than something that is trying to be both.

    Hence why they’re going to integrate Meteor in a fews years time.

    in reply to: Which Aircraft For South Korea? #2314294
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    I don’t get why Israel would be denied an older aircraft but were given the OK for a newer one…I thought it would have been the other way round, but there you go.

    Anyway, about South Korea. Like Japan they’re very much US influenced so for a non-US type to have a chance of winning an order could be slim. However, if South Korea are demanding ToT for their KF-X programme then it could improve the chances of a non-US type, in this case the Eurofighter Typhoon. The US’s record in the Indian MMRCA competition showed their un-willingness to share ToT where as I’m sure Eurofighter GmbH and its user partners would be more than willing to do so.

    The requirment for the first aircraft delivery in 2016 and with initial operational capability in 2018 would be no problem for Eurofighter GmbH & Boeing. However for Lockheed Martin with its F-35, I have doubts with its, to be frank, troubled progress & thats before we mention the price of the thing of which is going to be far from “affordable” thats for sure. Theres not much promising that even the UK as a “partner” will recieve their F-35s before 2016 let alone South Korea.

    As most of us know the F-15SE, according to Boeing apparantly, takes a few modifications to convert a “normal” F-15E to a SE variant, which is if true then all well and good for the US & Boeing but then enter ToT, which is not so good for South Korea = disagreements etc.

    The Typhoon will have a number of A/G weapons, various software upgrades & AESA integrated before 2016 giving it a very good position and capabilities that would suit South Korea.

    South Korea also need to look at potential air threats, too. (Of course I’m sure they’ve taken this into consideration). It seems a bit naive to say that an A/G capability is more of a priority over A/A capability, but one has to also think that they’re not saying an A/A capability isn’t needed. However, if they see China as a threat then they will need an aircraft that has a great A/A capability.

    And obviously Eurofighter GmbH fancy their chances in South Korea other wise they wouldn’t be proposing the Typhoon.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread IV #2314368
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    Funny, I remember when back in around 2008 or 2009, maybe earlier, an RAF Torndao F3 got a kill against an RAF Typhoon & I believe it was a WVR gun fight. When mentioned, very little was talked about the situation…

    News:

    Eurofighter is preparing to provide unique insights into the Eurofighter Typhoon performance in the Libyan conflict at the Paris Air Show 2011. A special media briefing is being held to show how the Typhoon has been active in both air-to-ground and air-to-air roles.

    A press release from Maialen Gutierrez, Eurofighter spokesperson has said that by Royal Air Force Typhoon Pilot Squadron Leader Rupert Joel would give the briefing.

    http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defensenews.jsp?id=5724&h=Eurofighter%20insights%20into%20Typhoon%20multi-mission%20role%20in%20Libya%20at%20Paris%20Air%20Show%202011

    Hopefully we’ll get some info on how they’re doing.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread IV #2314480
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    Guessed you mixed it up with the soap 😮

    Nope, I’m not French, sorry to disappoint you. 😀

    Just to comment on Lewis Page’s rubbish, if it’s not an F-22 but anything British, European with British involvment. I believe he once stated that the RAF would be better off with F-16s rather than Typhoons…Surprised he didn’t mention it here with the rest of his dribble.

    And anyway, IIRC the first time RAF Typhoons attended Anatolian Eagle was in 8 – 19 June 2009, of which was the dates the RAF Typhoons first participated where as the PAF didn’t, at all.

    Hmmm I think I’m going to have to call BS on that little “story”.

    A stunt by the PAF to try and put the Indians off buying Typhoons? I think so, & I believe they, the Indians, know how the Typhoon performs against their aircraft anyway & they seem rather impressed by it. Nice try Pakistan.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread IV #2314495
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    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UsjAWaH4kqU/TPALr6x-amI/AAAAAAAACY4/hHj6p5Br7n4/s1600/f-4_rafale_eater_3.jpg

    Oooops, I dropped it. :diablo:

    Anyway…

    Came across this:

    Lt. Gen. Giuseppe Bernardis, Chief of Staff, Italian Air Force.

    Q. Italy has focused on the air defense role of the Eurofighter Typhoon, instead of its multirole potential. Has Libya reinforced or weakened this view?

    A. The Eurofighter is giving us good performance and reliability in support of attack forces, and this operation is the demonstration that we were right to hold back further developments and consolidate the aircraft’s air superiority capability. When this is consolidated, we can go forward. We think we should not skip areas of the development of the main role in favor of another role, leaving holes in the primary role. We need a sound air superiority fighter, and any change to obtain a secondary role has to be done after consolidating the first phase. We are involved with another platform – the JSF – which we consider more dedicated and more capable of the secondary role without overspending.

    Q. The companies pushing the Eurofighter partners to develop an e-scan radar for the Typhoon announced last year they would self-fund development for a limited period, which has ended. What happens next?

    A. We are still discussing this. I was one of the first to say e-scan radar is a must for Eurofighter, but you cannot ask me to scrap a state-of-the-art mechanically scanned radar that I am obliged to receive until 2016. You cannot ask me to throw away good equipment in order to receive better equipment, especially if we have financial constraints.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6723008&c=FEA&s=INT

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread IV #2314731
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    “Typhoon is just a suped up Mirage” and is a “waste of money” & “has crappy aerodynamics” or whatever that was stated….

    Well, six buyers of the Typhoon don’t think it’s a suped up Mirage, a waste of money & has crappy aerodynamics and a few other potential buyers don’t seem to think so, too. Still, as I say, whatever makes them happy to dis something doesn’t mean they’re correct. :rolleyes:

    The targeting pod on the centre pylon is a quick fix and not the intended position. Although it seems that the position has some advantages when it comes to the field of view for the targeting pod.

    Got any proof of that it was a quick fix?

    Field of view is just one advantage by having it stationed on the centre hard point, the other being is you can carry one more AMRAAM/Meteor. It makes more sense to have the LDP on the centre station because the very simple reason for this is because you’ll lose an AMRAAM/Meteor if you’d place it onto one of their stations. I remember reading in AFM a few years ago that RAF pilots found this a great concern, if they were to go into an enviroment where they needed to destroy a particular ground target(s) but was heavily defended by fighters, having an extra AMRAAM/Meteor is more comforting to them than it is sacrificing one for a LDP and besides, having the LDP on the centre had the advantage of having a better field of view.

    Lets say a target, or targets, on the ground are in reach of a couple of Typhoons that only need 2x external drop tanks each but could face a threat from the air. Why would you want to put a LDP on an AMRAAM/Meteor station when the centre station is free? You’re sacrificing something that would give you an advantage.

    Eurofighter Typhoon news:

    The Luftwaffe Jagdgeschwader 74 celebrated on the 9th of June its jubilee with a great variety of attractions. An impressive total of 11 Eurofighters from three Luftwaffe Wings and from the Austrian Air Force put on a display during a dedicated airshow at Neuburg AB.

    http://www.eurofighter.com/media/news0/news-detail/article/info-german-air-force-jagdgeschwader-74-celebrated-its-50th-anniversary.html

    in reply to: MMRCA News and Discussion 8 #2316282
    EELightning
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    @Scorpion82, is the December 2014 date the introduction for the initial 18 aircraft or for when they start to introduce the Indian built aircraft?

    in reply to: Air Ops Over Libya (Part Deux) #2316287
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    Has anyone heard anything regarding the apaches and tigers lack of activity? I imagined with government forces moving on misrata again this would be the perfect time to deploy them?

    Only this official link from a few days ago.

    Apache attack helicopters, flying from HMS Ocean, conducted their first operational sorties over Libya last night as part of NATO’s Operation UNIFIED PROTECTOR to protect civilians under United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973.

    http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/ApachesConductOperationsOverLibya.htm

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon News & Discussions Thread IV #2316382
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    :
    Firstly, more than 1000 kg of extra fuel gives the Rafale an undisputed advantage in range, and that is the right answer to your question.
    Secondly, telling what’s important and what’s not as you see fit makes you a troll.

    He was actually asking a question not stating his opinion or stating what he see’s fit. So to call one a troll is abit out of order!

    A point I’d like to make about the Typhoon’s drop tanks. I believe Eurofighter could be introducing a bigger drop tank, I’ve noticed on a couple images that have been released recently showing Typhoons, although scaled models ones, with of what looks like bigger ones than whats currently carried on the Typhoon – they’re certainly a different shape, more “pointier” if you like. Anyway see what you think below:

    http://www.eurofighter.com/uploads/RTEmagicC_img2311101207.jpg.jpg

    Compared to:

    http://images.fast-air.co.uk/Typhoon-Block-Tranche-Summary/RAF-Eurofighter-Typhoon-F2-ZJ927-photo-900x.jpg

    As I say, Eurofighter could be introducing a bigger drop tank as far as we know & I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. Of course theres been no mention of this as of yet as well as the Meteor trials on the Typhoon in the UK, so all things possible.

    Typhoon gets Brimstone, Stromshadow and Raptor (renamed Raptyph?) in the next 4 years.

    The thing I’ve been wondering about concerning the Typhoon & the Raptor recce pod is, is where do you put it? I don’t believe it’d fit on the centre station and it’ll probably hamper the Raptor’s abilities if you put it on one of the wet stations, however you probably could have it one of those and have a centre drop tank & another under one of the wings but that might seem abit…odd.

    My un-educated guess is the Typhoon will recieve a newer, smaller recce pod to fit on the centre station.

    Edit:

    I understand that the Litening III provides a recce & scanning capability. How good that is I do not know.

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