I was just going to post the exact same news, you beat me to it. 😉
“The vehicle depot in Tiji was struck on Wednesday, 25 May 2011, by a Tornado GR4 and a Typhoon FGR4 which between them dropped nine bombs on the facility.”
So, two aircraft, one Tornado GR4 would have carried five Paveways which they do quite often anyway on operations and one Typhoon FGR4 would’ve carried the remaining four confirming that they are carrying more than two and also, the Typhoon would’ve “lasered” the Tornado’s Paveways. The Tornados can’t carry five Paveways and a Laser Designator Pod – its either four Paveways and LDS or five Paveways and no LDP.
I wish the MoD/RAF would publish some images of the Tornado GR4s and Typhoon FGR4s, I’m really quite surprised they haven’t already, not many anyway. I’m just curious to have a look at their kill markings. I bet the Tonkas have quite a few, especially with Brimstone.
Edit:
‘The Typhoon dropped four Enhanced Paveway II bombs, the first time it has done that operationally, while the Tornado used five Paveway IV bombs, again a first for that aircraft. Both weapon types have laser and GPS guidance for accuracy.’
I really should read more carefully, long week at work, over-time is catching up with me, c’mon wake up. 😀
-Britain said on May 24 it has not yet decided whether to deploy attack helicopters in Libya, contradicting NATO ally France which announced that both countries were ready to send choppers.
As of today: ‘Currently 656 Squadron, 4 Regiment Army Air Corps, is deployed onboard HMS Ocean in the Mediterranean.’
Main point of the article: The British Army’s Apache attack helicopter has clocked up a landmark 100,000 flying hours, a third of which have been flown on operations in Afghanistan.
So, looks like we’re going to see British Apaches operating over Libya any time now.
Ooops, silly chaps.
Mind you, if I wanted a reliable source I wouldn’t take a look at The Sun, they’re just too full of $h*te to take anything seriously and even on this story they messed up.
I’m not defending the two pilots but I’m not going to be too harsh on them, simple reason is this not the full story and we’re unlikely to ever find out what really happened. So anyway, all these pilots deserve to get out, let their down, have fun – whatever, they’ve got one hell of a tough job to do & its a kind of job where even during a short break, they’re still thinking about their plans ahead, whatever they may be. So yeah, they deserve a break. On the other hand, theres really no need to go out and get totally sh*t faced on drink…Someone should have been keeping an eye on them. Expect them to get one hell of a b*ll*cking of a life time, if they haven’t already.
@Mildave, no offence but you might want to look more into a lot things more often…
As for what missile for the Typhoon, India wouldn’t be any worse off if they selected ASRAAM or IRS-T, the weapons systems already support these two missiles and there’ll be little sense going through the effort and cost of integrating another missile. They’ll already have one hell of a combination with one of the former and Meteor onboard.
Libya: RAF celebrates bombing campaign;
RAF fighter pilots are celebrating the success of their bombing mission against Col Gaddafi’s security forces amid signs that Nato is intensifying its air campaign against the Libyan dictator.
Four RAF warplanes took the lead role in Nato’s biggest bombing mission against Gaddafi’s forces since the air campaign commenced two months ago. Two Tornado GR4’s and two Typhoons spearheaded the nightime attack that involved a total of 20 Nato warplanes from six countries on a compound used by Gaddafi’s secret police and riot control units.
The RAF were the first planes to hit the compound, dropping a total of eight laser-guided bombs on the compound’s command and control centre. All the aircraft returned safely to their airbase at Gioia del Colle in southern Italy.
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The raid represents a significant intensification of the Nato mission which has seen the RAF fly a total of 520 missions since combat operations against Libya began in March.
Excellent, thank you, Scorpion82. Hopefully some more pictures will come out soon.
Hence the recent coverage of the trials off of Ocean, I suppose
Yep. About two and half/three weeks ago, can’t remember the day exactly but think it was a Tuesday, I popped home from work on my lunch break, about 1pm, and witnessed a British Army Apache circling about a mile radious around the area where I live, it done a few circles and came as low as, what, maybe 150-200ft, was a hell of a site. This was just outside the very centre of Newcastle upon Tyne, North East of England. Theres an British Army Officers training place just over the way from where I live linked up with a small TA place, I believe a few helicopters land there every now and again. I seen a Royal Navy Merlin doing a couple of circuts earlier this year and sometimes theres the odd Police and Ambulance helicopter coming in and out of there, also witnessed a couple of British Army Lynxs’ doing a few circuts last year, that was a wonderful site. I’ve seen all types coming and going, just beside the British Army Officer training place theres the Northumberland University, or shall I say student accommodations & next to that a good size field full of moo-cows and in the summer when its hot I guarantee there’ll be an RAF Rescue Helicopter landing in the very same field after bringing in some numbty that was attempting to climb a cliff, base dive or attempt to sail a rubber dingy across the north sea, the RVI hospital is just across the road. Not kidding, you get helicopter spotters hanging around waiting for them to bring some poor git in. Handy if you’re into helicopters.
But anyway, the Apache was a nice site to look at, first time I’ve seen its kind in this area, an effin ugly looking thing though. Theres a range a good few miles further up north of Newcastle/Northumberland so it could’ve been doing something up there, not live firing though. Who knows maybe training up for Libya, decent enough training even on the sea front in some areas, only 40 minutes away on the train from the city centre.
Saw this site not to long ago, but missed that there are a lot of pdfs on that side. Some of them contain nice images, albeit I understand no word. I expect nothing new to be included however.
Indeed, very nice images on there. I knew that BAE Systems were/are very keen to propose the Typhoon to Japan but I never knew they put something like this up on their site, its not like them to do something like that is it? Obviously they seem to think that things are looking good for Typhoon in Japan, maybe even more so now that Japan may drop the F-35, maybe theres something new about that already mentioned on that page but unfortunately by Japanese is as good as yours.
What “other” exercises? That’s actually a Luftwaffe Eurofighter from JG 74, the shot was taken at Albacete Spain in the current TLP course.;) The aircraft left Neuburg without stars thus you can expect that this Typhoon scored some 12 simulated kills during the TLP at the time that photograph was made. I think I already posted this picture in the Typhoon thread where it belongs too, as this is the Libyan thread.;)
Hence why I typed in a question mark. 😉 I must admit I don’t follow the Luftwaffe’s journies for a couple of reasons, being they very rarely publish anything and even when they do its in German. 😀
Very nice image btw, thanks.
What other aircraft took part in this TLC course? I’m thinking Russian aircraft at least with the red stars on the Typhoon, but surely not I’m also thinking…Anyway it’s be interesting to what other aircraft took part. Thanks in advance. 🙂
The Daily Telegraph has learned that Apache helicopters will fly into Libya from a Royal Navy warship, in a joint operation with the French.
As many as 18 British and French helicopters will be deployed to support rebels trying to consolidate gains against Gaddafi’s forces.
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Whitehall officials said that later this week, the Apaches will begin flying missions in from HMS Ocean, a helicopter carrier in the Mediterranean.
I would’ve thought the west were the first with Thrust Vectoring on a flying aircraft, i.e. Brits with th Harrier Jump Jet, although of course used in slightly different ways, but you know. I see what you mean though.
As far as maneuverability/supersonic performance is concerned, the boffins at Eurofighter GmbH seen this to be an area of great importance and went for a design in its airframe giving it the capabilities to operate at – and high supersonic speeds. If you look into it its a rather clever design, a lot of people over look this with the Typhoon. Compared to the Russian types in service today it ought to be more than a match for them and there really isn’t many other aircraft in the world that can do this type of ACM, other(s) being what, F-22, PAK-FA & J-20 probably will be able to too? It’s a canny ability to have, certainly worth going through the effort to produce one that can.
Whats this really all about then: http://www.baesystems.com/japan Just came across it & its the first time I’ve seen of it, how long has this been up on the BAE Systems website? Obviously BAE Systems are confident and fancy their chances in Japan.
Any one know what the stars are for ?
Simulated A/A kills from other exercises?
No problem. Kev is Mr Coningsby!
RAF Coningsby is busy at the moment with air to ground training. 29 Squadron Typhoon T.3 returning to Coningsby on Thursday 19th May after dropping one inert Paveway of four carried. The same Typhoon was noted in the afternoon taking off with the three Paveways.
TJ
Thanks once again, TEEJ, you’re a bit of a gold mine. 🙂
Cool image. Interesting – so I’m presuming more RAF Typhoon pilots are being trained for A/G for Libya, and for in general of course? With this Typhoon T3 carrying four inert Paveways in the UK, we could probably see FGR4s carrying four live Paveways over Libya, if needed. I’m not 100% sure if they recently have carried that many.
Wondering how trials are coming along with the Paveway IVs?
RAF Typhoon and Tornado in action.
Royal Air Force Strikes Libyan Warships and Naval Facility
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/raf-strikes-20052011
Video at following link.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/80C72E4E_5056_A318_A8A5810524D998B1.wmv
Attack on Bunker
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/attack-on-bunker-19052011
Video at following link.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/4866F23A_5056_A318_A868A0E1DD5C65DA.wmv
TJ
Thanks for the links TEEJ.
Those ships looked awfully like they were hit by 1000lb LGBs’ from Typhoons, explosions look to big to be Paveway IVs’. Could be wrong though. If they were hit by Typhoon(s) they can now say they sunk a ship or two. 😀
If its true then Japans decision rests solely on its political aspect. The Typhoon and Rafale has ben judged ahead of the F-18 in the Indian Competition evaluation (Which has been IMHO fair), so The Typhoon with all else being equal should win, But Japan would have to do something that is almost unthinkable…. Buy a non US aircraft!! This would send shockwaves through the aircraft procurement world.
If they want an all out right top notch multi-role fighter then the Typhoon is the way to go, as I’ve always thought and mentioned numerous times during the MMRCA discussions, the F/A-18 is getting long in the tooth, very little else to be done as far as upgrade and growth potential is concerned, & performance wise – far from the Typhoon, the Typhoon has a far more advance airframe. (*Expecting Scooter to come along and attempt to prove the F/A-18 is superior*). So in the real world the Typhoon is the better choice and better suited for Japan, but this being Japan, they’re very much US influenced and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if they go for the F/A-18.
Then again, maybe the Typhoon does have a chance for a few orders for Japan, its not often they show an interest in non-US types so something must be going through their minds, kind of the same for Eurofighter GmbH, if they know that theres no chance of sales then they wouldn’t waste their time and resources to propose the Typhoon, like they didn’t in Norway. They knew perfectly well Norway would go for a US type no matter how good or bad it was so Eurofighter GmbH didn’t bother wasting their effort on proposing their fighter that was never going to be purchased anyway. I’ve noticed they’re quite vocal on this kind of thing.
So hopefully, Japan will look at the Indian competition and take a few notes and realise for themselves going for a US type isn’t always the best way to go.
I had a little chit-chat with a chap at Eurofighter via email discussing a “few things” (talk about getting blood from a stone), managed to get a bit of an idea of what will be featured in the next issue of Eurofighter World, Japan was mentioned and could feature a piece as “things were looking good”. But as I say, getting blood from a stone.
Have to wait and see.
I’m wondering if the test conformal tanks are being manufactured as we speak?….
Cheers
They’ve had many trials done on scaled models in wind tunnels over the years and at least had 1.1 scale CFTs’ on full 1.1 Typhoons, although display models but neverless, full sized ones, Typhoon 2020 variants are being proposed to Turkey, UAE, Oman and the same variant possibly to Qatar too, one of the features associated with this configuration is the CFTs’, so, they possibly are being manufactured as we speak and if not yet then certainly almost to be so in the not too distant future.
Well with £39 million more…
Yeah, and? Do you want it to be done for free or something? Look a little closer and you’ll find that these systems are not the product(s) of Eurofighter GmbHs’ but that of BAE Systems and for the RAF’s Typhoons.
People moan about the Typhoon not getting these kind of upgrades then presume its because its “horrendously expensive”, then when it does, they moan it costs money. Well, show me an aircraft that has upgrades and is free to integrate them. No pleasing some people… :rolleyes:
Thanks, Nic. Cool image.
No problem.
So far this is the only Typhoon to return with mission markings. At least two Typhoons have returned early in the conflict from the original batch that was sent out to Italy. This was before the Typhoons started bombing.
The best person to get all the details from is enthusiast Kevin Mapes. Contact him via his websites.
TJ
Thanks also, TEEJ. Interesting website he has there, very nice images he’s taken. I’ll give him a buzz soon, ta very much. 😉