EE :

Well , sorry but I couldn ‘t resist . 😉
You got me on this one and you read well . But I am not wrong , don ‘t you think EE ?

Well, depends on what you mean by “trying”? I presume you mean its finding things a little difficult performing A/G sorties, or did I read your words the wrong way? But anyway, its been confirmed the Typhoon can very accurately and effectively perform A/G sorties very well with the limited capabilities it currently has while self-escorting one-selves and just as importantly, able to work with the likes of the Tornado and other NATO types. In its current form, you can’t ask much more if anything else from it at this present time. I wouldn’t expect it to operate Storm Shadow, Brimstone & Paveway IV by tomorrow morning, that really would be trying. But as of now, its not trying – so to speak, but doing so.

True , this is also what I meant . But when we look at the money cuts in the defense budget (which I deplore greatly , trust me) , the Typhoon ‘s futur is only bright if one is looking at the looooooong term .
Then , will the other follow ? (Will India have to fund some stuff ?)

Will India have to fund stuff if they choose the Rafale? Yes, just as they would for the Typhoon. There’ll most likely be certain weapon systems India will want for themselves but what other users might not really want or need, such as an anti-ship missile for example. But as far as the Typhoon is concerned, there looks to be a lot in common as far as sensors and weapons etc is concerned, the likes of the UK want just about the same capabilities and gadgets: Short list; AESA, Meteor, Storm Shadow, Brimstone, Paveway IV and CFTs’, you’ll need the latter if you want stand-off cruise missiles of which Germany, Spain are likely to go for since they seem to want to integrate Taurus at some point in the near future. Possibly even Saudi Arabia also because theres various sources reporting that they’re showing a keen interest in Tranche 3 Typhoons. Theres a lot more commonality going on between India and other Typhoon users than people think there is. Of course most funds are going to be a joint-fund but there is going to be the odd time when India will want something that will suit their needs and not necessarily others. Like anything else really.

Saying that, it depends on what comes with the Tranche 3 offer alone. Nothing has been mentioned of exactly what as of yet but be asured its going to be something rather canny. As most of us know the Tranche 3 support a vast majority of weapons and we’re likely to see the ones with priority introduced before India takes deliver of Typhoons in 2015. So who knows, it could be just a matter of India making a deal with MBDA, heres your Tiffys, heres your weapons, happy hunting.

Sorry, slightly off topic there.

A bit of news:

May 20 (Reuters) – Japan may drop the F-35 stealth fighter from a shortlist for the country’s next generation fighter due to a sharp delay in the plane’s development plan, Kyodo agency reported on Friday citing diplomatic and defense sources.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/20/japan-fighter-idUSL4E7GK11120110520

So it could come down to just the Typhoon and F/A-18? Any thoughts?

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Warton, United Kingdom | BAE Systems has been awarded long term contracts worth a total of £39 million by the UK’s Ministry of Defence (MOD) to provide support services to ensure that Typhoon continues to maintain its ability to operate in all types of environments.

The development work covered by the contracts will enhance the UK Royal Air Force (RAF) capability to process intelligence information about operational threats and then upload this to Typhoon’s electronic warfare systems prior to the mission.

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/24698/?SID=4542ed3e583deffbf5ec56e8dfb60610

See? “Little things” such as this quietly build up the Tiffy’s capabilities, sneaky. 😉

I noticed you got “trying” in there, nice touch…

Its not as if we ‘might’ see a different calender, more like we most probably will see a different one going by recent events. As was mentioned in the latest edition of Air Forces Monthly, a senior RAF official had more or less stated that the British government has giving the go-ahead for more funding to integrate more A/G capabilities sooner rather than later, Storm Shadow, Brimstone, Paveway IV within the next 3-4 years, possibly even Meteor too. As well as pilot and ground crew training of course – obviously that goes without saying. (This is after the cuts the coalition government proposed to the British Armed Forces, a bit embarrassing on their behalf hence probably why little has been mentioned as of yet). We could even see Paveway IV integrated later this year, earlier than planned, originally early 2012.

Brimstone will probably be the next weapon integrated soon after the Paveway IV.

@mrmalaya, cheeky so & so at page #286. lol 😉

And thanks for the news about the Typhoon firing Meteor, TEEJ. I’m quite surprised that its been kept quiet, I would have thought even the official Eurofighter site would’ve mentioned something – I expect them to soon though and hopefully go into a little more detail about the trials. But great news for the Typhoon anyway. Wasn’t the Typhoon due to test fire the Meteor next year, 2012? Maybe they want to get on with the trials sooner ready for India since they’re likely to purchase the Meteor anyway?

Also nice to see the LGB markings on the side of the RAF Typhoon, now ‘blooded’, so to speak. So is there any news of how many Typhoons returned? I presume other RAF Typhoons have taken their places in Italy to take part and support operations over Libya and without doubt the pilots that have returned will without doubt pass on their knowledge and help train other Typhoon pilots in the A/G environment.

Monday, 16. May 2011

The 2011 events and exhibitions calendar will be a busy one for Eurofighter who will have a presence in aerospace and defence events across the world. Following successful participation at Aero India in Bangalore and IDEX in Abu Dhabi during February, the Eurofighter Typhoon team have begun the summer season with events in both Turkey and the Czech Republic this week.
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Tuesday, 17. May 2011

At IDET 2011, the International Exhibition of Defence and Security Technologies held in Brno from the 10th-13th May in the Czech Republic, Eurofighter had a significant presence.

The team hosted many visitors ranging from government and military officials
to journalists, aviation enthusiasts of every age, students and families. The
Eurofighter stand at the show included the latest Helmet Mounted Symbology
System (HMSS), the world’s most advanced helmet for fighter pilots and a
scale model of the Typhoon.
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Tuesday, 17. May 2011

Press Release – CASSIDIAN Spain appoints Luis Hernández Vozmediano as Head of the Eurofighter programme.

All in more detail here: http://www.eurofighter.com/

It looks as though Eurofighter are offering industrial partnership opportunities to just about every one they’re proposing the Typhoon to, as part of the deal: India, Japan, Turkey, Czech Republic etc. Nice.

Thanks for the feedback orko_8 & Scorpion82.

and i think i am rightin saying that Tranche 3 aircraft (regardless of who is buying them) are ready (plumbing etc) for CFTs to be “bolted” on. Therefore CFTs are a fact of Tranche 3, its simply a case of whether they choose to buy them and put them on the aircraft.

Yeah, more or less correct. If India want Storm Shadow or Tarus cruise missiles then it’d make sense to go for the CFT option, too. 2x CFTs’ each holding 1,500lbs of fuel, 3,000lbs combined, add another 1,000lbs with a centre drop tank = 4,000lbs of fuel, (excluding Typhoon’s internal fuel, which is?…) 2x Storm Shadows, up to 6x Meteors and 2x ASRAAM/IRS-Ts…Thats quite a capability to have there. Nice.

@Blue Apple, the CFTs’ for the Typhoon have been in Eurofighter’s minds for donkeys years, I’m sure they know all about what it takes to integrate them. After all they’re part of the ranche 3’s design features for future upgrades.

As was to be expected with the SRP 14 as stated in another article (I think in AFM as well) and PW IV integration is part of CP210 and has long been contracted with trials being pretty much advanced if not ready by now.

With trials being done with dummy Paveway IVs’ concerning safe separation of the weapons early last year and a live drop of the type early this year, the ongoing conflict in Libya and RAF Typhoon pilots being currently further trained for A/G operations, maybe theres a possibility that the Paveway IV could be deployed earlier than early 2012?

Does the current weapon systems on the Typhoon support the Brimstone, Scorpion82?

If I had a say in it, so to speak, I’d certainly push for the Brimstone to be introduced to the Typhoon as soon as possible. It’s certainly a gem to have.

The Turkish story is still curious from “we only want the F-35” to “we have reservations about the F-35”. A permanent forth and back if you will. I don’t think that Turkey will opt for the Typhoon in the end, but who knows. Previous offers made were quite generous with partnership status and up to 5 bln € of offsets for the Turkish industry. Whether that’s still being offered is yet another question.

It’s quite difficult to wonder if they’d go for the Typhoon, like Japan, I get the impression that they’re too US influenced to go for another type, especially a European one but I may be wrong about that, even a little unfair of me to say so. But if they want to shy away from US types and go for a non-US type & have a boost of their own aerospace industry, then having something to do with the Eurofighter consortium will give them the chance to do so.

Indeed, they’ve been very generous, I think Eurofighter would still offer what you stated. Excluding the link I posted, last I heard was that the Typhoon 2020 (based on the Tranche 3 standard) was, or is being proposed to Turkey with CFTs’, AESA, TVNs’, DASS, MIDS and compatibility with extended range of advanced A/G weapons including Storm Shadow. Apparantly the same variant is currently being proposed to the UAE, Qatar and Oman – also now featuring the ability to carry various glide-bombs and the RBS-15/III anti-ship missile. (I suspect a couple of those features are currently being proposed to India too, those being CFTs’ and Storm Shadow at least).

If you look at the picture I found on the official website : http://www.eurofighter.com/capabilities, the ECM pods are located where IR missiles would normally be at their optimum for dogfighting, thus not only reducing the total number of missiles been carried but also their effectivness.

But A/A missiles were never going to be where the ECM pods are. I really don’t get why they’d be at a disadvantage where they’re located now, its all well laid out if you ask me, especially where the ECM pods are. And no matter what configuration the Typhoon has on board, its always going to carry at least six A/A missiles. Hardly a lack of any.

yes but you seems blind and deff!

can i help you? it start by “Falk” and finish by “Land” 😉

Yeah, “Flak” meaning anti-aircraft fire or as the Germans call it; “Fliegerabwehrkanone”., and land meaning “planet Earth”, (not sure you’re aware of the latter). But if Flak is a problem then you want a quicker aircraft to get out of the $h*t, not one where even a Spitfire can outrun. Think about it…

Besides, you’ve certainly got too much room to talk about being blind and deaf, I’m still waiting for you to prove your rather silly points. Anyway, I was asking somone with intelligence not someone where the their best replies are insults and mindless, misinformed gibberish.

Can something be done about this user because he has nothing what so ever to contribute.

Its the ratio were interested in, both aircraft are roughly similar in price (Rafale is ~20% more per unit).

The lifecycle costs are the interesting bit, once again the Typhoon edges out the Rafale at 11% cheaper.

I’m not saying this is proof positive that Typhoon is the cheaper to buy and maintain than the Rafale, just that all the evidence so far points that way.

It remains to be seen how much cost cutting each side is desperate enough to chop., but as I have shown Typhoon has a small head start however unpalatable that may be to some.

Cheers

The “rumour” that Air International reported a short while back, I’ve mentioned a couple of times, of Eurofighter offering a favourable price in India could possibly be true.

That’s an interesting question, I could well imagine that the IAF will purchase the Meteor and will supplant it with the ASTRA instead of MICA EM or AMRAAM (depending on which platform is chosen). Would make sense for me at least.

It’s already quite confusing how many weapons they will operate. R-73 for its Russian fighters, ASRAAM for the Jaguar if I’m not mistaken and Python 5 for the Tejas. So will they introduce another SRAAM with the MMRCA?

The same is true for the BVR department where they have R-27 and R-77 for the Russian fighters, Derby for the Tejas, ASTRA for possibly most of the IAF’s fighters and probably at least one additional BVR AAM for the MMRCA (I think Meteor is most likely here).

Interesting. MBDA were in India at the time of Aero India 11 proposing weapon systems for the IAF. Since India mentioned they’d like cruise missiles etc and seemed to be proposing weapons for other aircraft and all, it’s quite possible that India could do a deal with MBDA to complement the MMRCA aircraft.

It’d make a lot of sense if they do so, the aera of India where the aircraft are operating in, or will be I should say, they’d want a capable BVR in both A/A and A/G.. ASRAAM would be a very good choice as will IRS-T and Meteor is probably going to end up in the IAF inventory anyway sooner or later. Then theres the preference of Storm Shadow and Taurus, that’d be an interesting discussion. I’m sure the IAF would show a keen interest in Brimstone/Spear also. Its a little gem that weapon.