That’s what your personal opinon, but as I said, the discussion on the radar started by a report that IAF wants fast induction, so they seems have a different opinion right?

Dassault, Boeing and LM will be able to deliver their fighters even earlier than, it’s only the other contenders that will have problems here.

Theres not much a threat that India cannot handle with their current fleet of aircraft, so probably, as I said it wouldn’t hurt them too much to wait a little longer but then again, if Typhoon is selected, production for that particular radar will likely speed up. Lets see.

I know the last part you said isn’t directed at me, but what do you mean by “other contenders will have problems here”?

If any one of a type is selected soon, they only have to do produce a small number of aircraft on their own production line(s), there isn’t much of a problem here as far as I’m concerned since all of the makers lines are still producing aircraft, and the rest of the aircraft will be produced in India soon later on. And if India want those initial aircraft earlier, all well and good, but if not, no big deal.

The F-35 is a Modern Day Stealthy “Strike Fighter”………….Regardless, its not becoming obsolete like current 4/4.5 Generation Fighters. Which, is clear with the advent of the F-22, F-35, PAK-FA/FGFA, and J-20.;)

Respectfully:cool:

Nice to see that you have a sense of humour, Scooter. Especially about the current types being “obsolete”. Funny. 😉

I remember a few years ago, LM and the USAF too, I think (and fan-boys) said something like; “There will be ‘nothing’ that will match the F-22 in next few decades”…(I believe they mean’t as long as the F-22 is in service).

Well…

Just saying, just saying…

Why should the RAF send their Typhoons to Afghanistan when the Tornado GR4’s are already doing a fine job in CAS?

Like whats already been mentioned to death, the Typhoon has other commitments especially in RAF service, operating in The Falklands, UK and even providing CAP over some parts of Europe, not to mention training aircrew, groundcrew etc. You can’t just get a bunch of pilots that already know how to operate the Typhoon in the A/A role then suddenly tell them to go to Afghanistan to perform A/G sorties. They need training and the ones that have performed A/G sorties in the past on other types, need to be refreshed. Yes, theres Typhoon pilots that already know how to operate the aircraft in the A/G role, but theres not very many of them at the moment and they need to pass on their ‘know how’ of its abilties. Not to mention the excerises thats been going on; with the likes of the Indians and their Suchois, oh and, guess who else with, too? Yes, with French Rafales here in th UK not so long ago.

Like I say, theres no need to send Typhoon to Afghanistan at the moment where the Tonkas are doing a good enough job. Just because they haven’t been sent doesn’t mean its any good. Fine, boast that the Rafale has seen action, so what? Good for them, they’ve been in service bit longer than Typhoon so they’ve had more time it’s A/G abilities to be developed.

You can’t just read the first sentence, forget about the “In addition” bit and then make me say what I don’t want to say.

According to Wikipedia : “fifth-generation fighters are characterized by being designed from the start to operate in a network-centric combat environment, and to feature extremely low, all-aspect, multi-spectral signatures employing advanced materials and shaping techniques. They have multifunction AESA radars with high-bandwidth, low-probability of intercept (LPI) data transmission capabilities. The Infra-red search and track sensors incorporated for air-to-air combat as well as for air-to-ground weapons delivery in the 4.5th generation fighters are now fused in with other sensors for Situational Awareness IRST or SAIRST, which constantly tracks all targets of interest around the aircraft so the pilot need not guess when he glances. These sensors, along with advanced avionics, glass cockpits, helmet-mounted sights (not currently on F-22), and improved secure, jamming-resistant LPI datalinks are highly integrated to provide multi-platform, multi-sensor data fusion for vastly improved situational awareness while easing the pilot’s workload”

Exept that all the stuff about network-centric, data fusion, supercruise, sensors etc has been claimed by 4.5 aircrafts like Typhoon, Rafale, F15k, SU 30MKI, SU 35 etc… So what is left to a 5th gen aircraft is low observability. In fact all aspect stealth even when armed is at the very core of their ability to be “force multiplier”, “game changer”, “extremely survivable” and all the wonders we have been promised.

The fact that a Mig 31 is “non-emitting” doesn’t make it “stealth” defined as:
“Stealth aircraft are aircraft that use stealth technology[1] to interfere with radar detection as well as means other than conventional aircraft by employing a combination of features to reduce visibility in the infrared,[2] visual, audio, and radio frequency (RF) spectrum”(my friend Wiki again).

The problem with Wikipedia is, its very easy for anyone to edit. I could easily Google Adolf Hitler, click on the wiki link, go to edit and say he was the sweetest, kindest and most loving of all Nazis, peace loving, was against violence, racism & was rather fond of the Jews and the Nazi Party was a charity organisation that helped the poor and brought peace to the earth. (registered charity number: 835467823) Contact Email: [email]info@www.nazi-party.org[/email]

You wouldn’t believe that if you actually read it, would you?

Take whats put on Wiki with a pinch of salt, don’t quote anything from it.

P.S. That Nazi email isn’t real! 😀

We profit from the F35 though, theres no way we will get the same benefit from a Rafale procurement, = massive UK job losses. As for the French screwing us over, oh yes they will, they aren’t really going to lose out by doing so.

http://www.france24.com/en/20110104-france-industrial-espionage-economy-germany-russia-china-business

We could still make a profit, just like we did/or still do with the Gripen. Just because we don’t operate a particular “thing” doesn’t mean we’re not going to benefit from it. If we dropped the F-35, I think the Americans would still want us to have something to do with producing it. I very much doubt they’d want to dish out more money for the F-35, don’t you?

OMG those evil Frenchies, I think you better write a letter to David Cameron warning him…

…I think the UK are quite well aware of this & I think they know what they’re doing. Like I say, I don’t think they want to p*$$ eachother off for the next 50 years.

Nope, I said that the F/A-18E/F is significantly cheaper, and equal if not better in the strike role than the Rafale.

My mistake, thought you mean’t the F-35.