EELightningMy cristal ball says that Mbb will surface again. Germans hve the tech, the $, the willingness and they are disapointed by all the partnership they hve been involved in. Let’s be honest, only their F4 so far hve fullfilled their expectations.
So as you said, Fr, a coalition ard BAE and Germany. Italians cld try to go their own way too and join a non-euro partnership.
I’m not sure what you mean by Germany being disappointed by all the partnerships they have been involved in. They’re involved in the Tornado and are happy with that. They’re involved with the Typhoon and they’re also happy with that. To my knowledge both of those aircraft have met their expectations.
At the very least, I see the UK, Germany and Italy sticking together and co-developing another (manned) fighter – Typhoon replacement. I would say Spain would be involved too but I wouldn’t hazard a guess regarding their industrial participation, given their current situation.
EELightningI believe the people in industry and government who forsee exactly that.
Actually, I worded that wrong, my mistake. I believe their next fighter will be manned, but France and the UK won’t be involved in a programme together. I see France going alone (or do what they done twice before – join, demand, not get what they want, leave), and the UK, Germany, Italy and Spain doing what they’re doing now. I also see Sweden going it alone too.
EELightningSo basically average Ruski pilot will get more 3-4 times nore jet fighter hours than many French pilots.
In fast jets, yes basically. The rest of their hours will be on Turboprop aircraft. Which is bizarre in my opinion.
And let’s not forget that sequestration has gutted flying hours for many USN and USAF squadrons and is set to continue to 2014. USAF is talking about chopping 700 aircraft to be able to sustain rest of force.
Sadly so. Any cuts are unwelcome but I’m happy the RAF are exempt from training budget cuts. Having the aircraft is one thing, having the experience and training is quite another.
EELightningIt’s been revealed French fighter pilots are only getting 150 hours per annum – not far from 125 hours flown in Russian western military district.
But only 40 of those are, or will be, on fast jets…
EELightningThe RAF flew 200 hours per annum on their fast jet fleet in 2010.
This has since dropped, with jet pilots funded for 180 hours after 2010 as far as I can tell, although it may well be less by now in 2013 with global defence cuts.
The 180 hours the RAF are funded for is the minimum since the NATO minimum itself is the same figure. The hours per fast jet pilot in the RAF vary between at least 180 hours (15 per month on average) to 240 hours (18.5 per month on average) which includes take-offs, landings, overhead flights etc and not necessarily simulated 1v1 air combat for example, but excludes international exercises – Red Flag, Frisian Flag, Magic Carpet etc in which case flight hours are significantly increased.
When the RAF received their cuts, entire Harrier fleet chopped as well as the their Nimrod fleet and a majority of their crews as well as other cuts in other areas, their training budget was, and still is, exempt from the cuts.
EELightningYou would think that with Eurofighter being around for a long time even journalists who are not aviation specialists would know which companies were involved with making Typhoon! I wonder who assembles the ones for the RAF – is it EADS or is it Finmeccanica? :rolleyes:
Indeed! You’d also think the same journalists can grasp that France aren’t representing the Typhoon via EADS. But hey, EADS = France, they have their share, there for they must have something to do with Typhoon, while also forgetting about Germany. Very lazy reporting! Unfortunately there was no other source reporting this at the time so I had to go with that one.
In other news:
Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH’s new Chief Executive Officer Alberto Gutierrez said he’ll target spending reductions to make the group’s Typhoon combat jet more competitive at winning orders abroad.
“There will be hard facts and figures” in the review, Gutierrez told reporters at the Paris Air Show. Decision making needs to be streamlined, he said.
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“We are engaged in several campaigns around the globe,” Gutierrez, a former head of operations at air-transport developer Airbus Military who was appointed to the Eurofighter post on April 22. “We are focusing particularly on the Middle East,” and “we have a lot of hope of winning some of those contracts.”
Eurofighter has ambitions to sell the twin-engine jet to the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Kuwait. A further purchase by Saudi Arabia, already a buyer of 72 Typhoons, is possible, Gutierrez said.
Hi!
A video of Spanish Typhoon. Poor quality but it’s very exciting. A 1 vs.1 dogfight training with cockpit views:
That is quite possibly the best Typhoon footage I have ever seen! From a spectator perspective one only gets to view how Typhoon performs at low-level at an air show – or compared to the on-board footage taken at Waddington in 2006. This footage of how the Typhoon performs at an higher altitude is in a totally different league; much more aggressive, quicker, definitely much sharper, it just looks more comfortable higher up. It very much confirms what the pilot’s say about it performing much better at higher altitudes and speeds.
Thanks for the video.
EELightningQatar is likely to launch an international tender to renew its fleet of ageing fighter jets soon and is interested in France’s Rafale, a French official said, while sources said it was also looking at the BAE Systems-backed Eurofighter Typhoon.
Qatar said in 2011 it wanted to replace its fleet of 12 Mirage fighter jets, possibly buying 24 to 36 units.
Qatari officials were in Britain evaluating the Eurofighter Typhoon with the Royal Air force last month, said sources familiar with the matter who did not wish to identified as the discussions are private.
“They have had a look at it,” said one source. The Eurofighter is also made by European aerospace company EADS and Italian weapons maker Finmeccanica.
A Eurofighter team will be going to Doha in the next few weeks for flight trials, said a third source, adding the Qataris were in the process of making comparisons and flight evaluations.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/19/airshow-rafale-eurofighter-idUSL5N0EV32C20130619
EELightningI think it will result in the successor being single engine, to keep some measure of standard of pilots and thus capability
Possibly, but I doubt the UK and France will be involved in another manned joint-ventured aircraft. I was thinking more along the lines of training etc. An RAF fast jet pilot(s) will have 240+ hours a year on Typhoon or Tornado, (F-35B too of course depending on it’s availability) where as a FAF fast jet pilot will only have 40+ a year, (the rest on Turboprops), one wonders how this will affect training. It’s fast jet experience at the end of the day.
EELightningArgentinean jet trainer manufacturer FAdeA has been banned from installing a British-made ejection seat in a new version of the Pampa by the government of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, according to company boss Raul Arganaraz.
The FAdeA president told reporters during a briefing at the Paris Air show Monday that the ban on the Martin-Baker ejection seat had been imposed by the government to “guarantee autonomy” of the new IA-63 Pampa III trainer/light attack aircraft.
One couldn’t make this nonsense up.
It was 31 years ago, Argentina. Get over it!
EELightningHas the Storm Shadow already been flight tested?
It’s due to be flight tested in the 3rd quarter of 2013. Anytime soon.
Yes they’ve tested Storm Shadow. It’s been around 2002-present. Initially, the Eurofighter Typhoon will begin to recive Storm Shadow in 2014.
It’s been fitted onto the aircraft, and I believe it’s also been wind-tunnel tested at least. 2014 might be a little ambitious, but has been hinted at that time, personally I’d say 2015.
EELightning;)What if the F-22 combined with your Eurofighter in a pose picture? :dev2:
To be honest, this may surprise you, but I’m not remotely keen on the Typhoon’s looks. There’s only a few angles I like it from. It’s no Rolls Royce Wraith.
EELightningI have no idea, probobly they both look fantastic combined together.
I suppose so.
It can be a diffrent way to display cars that are from china for example to pose with the F-22.
Oh Satan’s Nuts no! Can’t show the Geely Gee with an F-22.
EELightning??? I thought Meteor was already being integrated on Typhoon.
It is, but there was no contract signed for the actual Missile itself even when trials were/are underway. It’s the same for Captor-E and Storm Shadow, trials are currently underway but there’s no final contract as of yet, same for other upgrades and enhancements.
EELightningPARIS AIR SHOW 2013 – Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH has today signed a weapon system integration contract with NETMA, the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency, to facilitate and secure integration of MBDA’s Meteor Beyond Visual Range Missile system.
EELightningFrom Twitter, @Eurofighter_1;
“RAF Red Flag briefing coming up soon in the Eurofighter pavilion at #PAS13. Real insight into a massive Exercise with a “first hand account”.
Interesting…
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