Europeans have always bought American, be it because there was nothing else available, requirements, because they didn’t want to join other European ventures, political reasons or just plain choice… I’m not sure why Trappier is stating these words, France have their own, and very healthy, fighter industry as do other European countries. The Typhoon has three export sales and are looking positive in several Middle Eastern countries, the Gripen have the most export sales out of all three European fighters where as the Rafale has none – not until India signs the dotted line which could be… God knows when… Three of the seven Typhoon operators are going for the F-35 because they simply want a mixed fleet to compliment each other, Sweden are perfectly happy with their Gripen as are other operators of the type, same with France and their Rafale (when they won’t be in their hangers that is).
Other European countries, well, if they want to operate American types then let them. If they show no interest in a European type, what’s the point of moaning about it… Seems as though he has a bee in his bonnet about something.
Russia has said no to the No-Fly zone, so its a non-starter.
However, according to The Independent, PM Cameron has told Russia to join in or face isolation on Syria, despite sharing many common grounds.
BTW it appears Jon Lake has been caught with his pants down once again when he wrote in arabian aerospace that the F22 flew with external tanks. I can’t see any external tanks in the video, but then again it may be my eyesight.
Got a link to the source? There’s nothing recent in the Defence section of the site about the F-22 nor the Rafale.
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Trying to sell the Rafale before they end up as Hanger Queens? :dev2: :p
Yea at transonic you can’t get that faster due to heavy weapons. Clearly the less weapons you have, the more faster you are.
If your aeroplane is unable to reach the Transonic regime with a particular weapons load, or configuration, then your pre-flight plan isn’t going to feature going anywhere near Supersonic in actual flight. Common sense.
But absolutely, since the F-35 has drag problems, the F-35 might not reach more than Mach 1.6 loaded. But acceleration is the key thing into going faster.
Not necessarily. A Harrier can out-accelerate a Tornado but the Tornado has a much higher top speed – Top speed and acceleration are two different things. Acceleration can have it’s advantages of getting to point ‘A’ to point ‘B’ in a specific time frame but it doesn’t always means it translates into a high Mach figure, an aircraft needs that fine balance of airframe design, aerodynamic efficiency, thrust, engine design amongst other elements.
Countries have been spying on each other for decades, especially since the start of the Cold War. Why’s it such a shock to many when they find out someone is suspected of spying or hacking?
I said with another occasion, i wouldn’t believe ANYTHING the Pentagon or the White House says, even if they say the Earth is round …
That’s the funniest and the most dim-witted thing I’ve heard all day…
On a bit of a cheeky note; BAE Systems are at the Paris Air Show with a Hawk on display with a Typhoon behind it. There’ll be a suspicious chap with pointy fangs, a slightly evil grin and a twinkle in his eyes standing in front of the Hawk, and enticing young French reps over then saying while rubbing his hands together; “May I help yoooooou?” 😀
Given that France’s overall fleet of fighter is also shrinking getting combat capable trainers might be worthwhile. They might not be suitable for a high-end conflict, but France still has a lot of involvement in places where a combat capable trainer might be sufficient.
Good point. And who’s to say France can’t use those trainers in combat should the need arises?… Such as the Mali situation. T-50s or Hawks could’ve been a compelling choice in some sorties.
This by the way is bad news for potential Rafale exports – it looks bad when the production country can’t afford to fly the plane, even after gutting the orders by nearly half.
Not necessarily so. The report doesn’t specify which fast jets will be cut, in my opinion no more Rafales will be cut, more likely Mirage 2000s and F1s, which are due to be retired soon, if not a little later anyway.
On another note; how will this decision affect this “50 year partnership” of the British and French armed forces, or more specifically the RAF and FAF?… It was questionable then, now it just seems… well, pointless.
the politician taking such decision should be legally responsible if pilots crash and it appears they were under trained because of lack of flight time in high performance jets… all of a sudden they’d find cash to keep them trained as they should be…
Hence why the French Air Force should, at the very least, purchase a number of fast jet trainers (Hawks) to operate rather than Turboprop aircraft. Obviously, they’re no Rafale in terms of performance but the sensations will be minimal.
AV-8 Harrier firing the rocket launchers. What an amazing load-out for the Harrier. 😉
It’s an RAF GR3. The British didn’t use the AV-8 designation.

Hard days for the French Air Force. Their government and population will continue to expect them to answer the call when needed.
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How do they expect to maintain capabilities with only 40 hours a year in a fast jet and another 140 in a turboprop?
Indeed! I thought the RAF’s cuts were severe when they lost their entire fleet of Harrier GR7/9s, Nimrods, a significant number of crew amongst other things, but happy their training or flight hours weren’t harmed though – all of a sudden their fate doesn’t look that bad, especially with the MoD’s �160+ billion over 10 years defence plan for the armed forces…
The ’40 hours in a fast jet and another 140 in a Turboprop’ is… interesting. It’d be like Sebastian Vettel practicing in an original Mini Cooper in between races. Quite bizarre.
But surely, if this what’s to be then at least it’d be much easier to train in something like a Hawk than a Turboprop. Up to date avionics, and has the subtle advantage of being a ‘jet aircraft’.
Three things worth betting on:
1) Which Driver/Team is going to win the Formula 1 World Championship 2013 – Drivers and Constructers.
2) Which next actor in Coronation Street is going to be pulled in for claims of Sexual Assaults… again.
3) What day is this Thread going to get locked on because so many members are spouting off cr*p they have no idea about…
Why show a European car next to an American aircraft. Isn’t it usually an American car and an American aircraft together?
There’s an Italian Tornado (European) and Lamborghini in the same image floating about and another of an E-Type Jag next to a Lightning. It usually represents what is produced in the country, what they’re capable of etc.
How much work would it be to take an S-300 and turn it into a surface to surface missile (SSM)? Technically, I guess it is a SSM, since gravity always wins, but I feel as if Assad is getting these items because Russia wants that regime to stay in power. I have no idea which regime would be best for Syria, but it is something the Syrian people should decide.
Off the top of my head; Quite a bit, if they wanted them to be accurate. If they wanted to hit specific targets on the ground they’d have to have a new system of internals, guidance systems & what have you. The S-300’s primary, and only, role is shooting down very high and very fast targets.