I agree with you on “It all depends on good planning” but:
I read that the CFT for the Typhoon is planned but not funding, i may be wrong.
Tranche 3 units have provisions for CFTs, wind tunnel tests are now complete, it’s just a matter of performing flight tests which I suspect will be very soon. I doubt they’d cost much more than the 1,000litre external drop tanks. And if Typhoon is going to replace the Tornado GR4 then they’re going to have to be introduced much sooner rather than later. They’ll be here.
And during the Libyan campaign it was Mirage F1 (RECO missions) who made emergency landings in Malta.
Rafales also made several emergency landings too.
Typhoon with 2 Storm Shadow can only take one 1000l EFT on centerline station. I think this configuration is not realistic or very useful in real combat situation, maybe in some rare cases or with several aerial refuelings.
If you just look at the Libya for Storm Shadow strike RAF used Tornado with tow 2250l EFT and France used Rafale with two or three 2000l EFT and i think they need refueling, i’m not trying to bash, i think it’s a real problem but it’s just my opinion.
Indeed you’re correct about the configuration, with regards of what it can carry, but it’s not really a real problem. With sufficient AAR it wouldn’t be a problem, however it comes down to where they take off of from, where the target(s) are located, what threats they have to avoid etc.
Typhoon will have Conformal Fuel Tanks (1,500litre each – 3x drop tanks worth) anyway so it’d be covered.
During the Libyan campaign RAF Tornado GR4s armed with Storm Shadows flew out from the UK then back most of the time without any issues. Rafales operated out of France but I believe they also operated out of Italy with Scalps too, and with significant amounts of fuel & still made emergency landings in Malta on several occasions.
It all depends on good planning.
Uuuurgh…

More than anything it illustrates how foolish it was for Europe to split its efforts into two competing efforts, neither of which is nearly as complete as it should be by this point.
Why so? What other options were there that would have been better than Typhoon, and Rafale and Gripen too for that matter?
With regards to being complete, it would be helpful to check up on user requirements.
We had some nice moments arguing, no?
Not with the ones that had multiple accounts and stuck their fingers in their ears and went La-La-La-Rafale Superior-La-La-La!, accused people of being “Anti-French/Rafale/racist” when one didn’t agree with them or came up with something where Typhoon seemed to have an advantage and all that nonsense. I wouldn’t call those nice arguments.
Italyβs Alenia Aermacchi has confirmed that the first phase of tests for the integration of the Storm Shadow long-range missile onto the Eurofighter Typhoon has been completed.
I believe release trials will be done by BAE Systems next.
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Last time I checked, Liverpool and Manchester were in the North West.
True, but I’m from the North East. I’d immigrate if I were from Manchester or Liverpool. The shame, apart from The Beatles from the former. π π
How’s the car theft going over there in the North West?
None existent. Mind you, must be pretty bad in Yorkshire without the introduction of car alarm systems.
North East, the exact opposite of the North West. You know, like those couple of AESAs.
You obviously have very strong feelings about this matter. What part of Russia are you from? π
He’s from the Yorkshire part of Russia. Oh… Sorry, I always get those two mixed up. Yorkshire, Communism, Communism, Yorkshire… You know how it goes.
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Wrong side of the Pennines then obviously.
We’re up to date here, i.e. 2014. You should check it out, so much to learn.
Heyyyyyy wait a minute, what’s wrong with the south. We are all fine lads down there… and less aggressive than then north π
But it was the aggressiveness of us Geordies that prevented you Southerners from speaking Scottish. We don’t want that, do we. :p π
The North East is the only net exporter of manufactured goods in the UK. Perhaps those of you down south should try it instead of being mainly concerned with perpetrating global financial fraud.
Me, from down south? Hell no!
I fear you’re projecting your own problems onto others. Do you only watch RT up there? :highly_amused:
Wait, what?… Yorkshire have Televisions? Wow, Internet, Television… They’re catching up.
Last year i heared an audition of UK ambassador in France. The guy is the former head of procurement in UK. He clearly stated that it was due to costs.
No he didn’t. Would you like an onion or some garlic to cure your bitterness?
He did and i don’t need any of your stupid comments. Were you there? I was. BTW he was part of the commission…
Oh great, so we have the word of a bitter Rafale fanboy to go on. You’ve got me convinced. This seems to be a thing for you. No official sources to view, hearsay, conjecture and pilot stories, often with changing distances and parameters from one telling to the next. Either link something to prove your statement or desist from thread wrecking. Just because you’ll only have one aircraft carrier, there’s no need to be jealous.
Cost is always a factor but as my above link clearly shows it isn’t the only one.
So, basically you’re agreeing to what he [Halloweene] stated earlier, albeit with a little play on words and insults in an attempt to hide where you screwed up. *Very slow & long winded applause for you there.*
“Modern Military Aviation Forum”… I see no Military Aviation related discussions going on here on this thread… Whatever could that mean…
About 1500?
In a Typhoon report by Jon Lake, if I remember correctly early/mid 2013 – maybe a little before that, I don’t quite remember but anyhow, I need to dig out the magazine for confirmation, he stated that “officially” figure was between 1,000 to 2,000 T/R Modules. 1,000 to 1,500 T/R Modules being the “unofficial” figure. However that was a little while ago, and the figure does seem to be specific at 1,426 T/R Modules but with the antenna being blocked from the public eye it would indicate that there maybe more, or less even.
Personally, I’d bet the antenna on having 1,500+, 1,600 at a push.