EELightningI’m looking forward to following the Phase 1 Enhancement upgrades, they’ll certainly be quite a step in capabilities.
Personally, I believe TVNs would be rather beneficial for a number of reasons, not just for maneuverability which isn’t their main purpose, but for drag trim, improved take off weight and distance – landing too, increase in thrust & supercruise etc. But as has already been pointed out, they’re not a ‘must have’ upgrade. However, I do also believe that they’re better to have rather than just increasing the thrust of the EJ200s.
Conformal Fuel Tanks would be rather high on my list of upgrades though. And with Tranche 3s being ‘Plumbed’ for CFTs, it indicates that the four Consortium members (high chance of being five) are indeed keen on the idea of fitting them in the not too distant future.
EELightningIn the past, British MPs would look into that and think; ‘Oh thats bad, isn’t it?’…And purchased the products in question anyway.
Today…They’re still the same really…
Sadly, the UK will still purchase the F-35. Albeit a rather small number of them & I’d be quite surprised if we’d go for another type.
EELightningI can’t see it being a decisive factor given the aircraft’s place in India’s order of battle.
Well, the Indians are convinced it’ll be ready in time and from what I’ve learn’t, development of the Captor-E is running along fine and on shedule. So, what more can be said about that.
Personally, I reckon the decisive factors will be ToT, offsets, industrial, strategic & political benefits. Aircraft costs are more or less the same and I don’t think there’ll be much difference in operating costs, too.
EELightning@Mrmalaya
La tribune is french equivalent (with les echos) to the financial times or the wall street journal.
Recently they made an article accusing Dassult of being arrogant after the uAE debacle and this article was often quoted by the pro-typhoon. But now that it does not suit their view it is anti typhoon…The truth is that this newspaper is pretty neutral. It is not an opinion newspaper but a “businness” newspaper.
They have such a credibility that it would be hard to believe they are inventing there source.
Really?…
They ought to get a clue about a few things being correct if that “credible report” is anything to go by. Sounds like they can’t think up of anymore arguments rather than having credibility. :rolleyes:
Wrt both aircraft’s radars. No matter when both radars enter operational service etc, the Captor-E is always going to be the better one in the end. Bigger antenna, more power, WFoR, more TR Modules…Work it out…
EELightningI knew the baseline EJ200’s thrust was 95 kNs… where does the 105 kN figure come from? :confused:
EJ200 has a growth potenial of 15% to 20% increased thrust from 20,000lbs. So that’d be 23,000lbs to 24,000lbs, or 105 kN to 107 kN.
However, such increases in thrust isn’t needed for the Typhoon. I’d rather it have TVNs which would be more beneficial in a number of areas without sacrificing engine life.
EELightningAnd, India seem to be looking at Taurus, Brimstone(?) and Meteor for their MKIs. Given the geography of where the MMRCA would be based, alongside the MKIs, its highly more than likely the MMRCA would be operating with the same weapons, & complementing the MKIs too of course.
IAF’s 2000s, and other types, would operate in different regions of India to the MMRCA and MKIs.
EELightningNot really. Remember when India selected the engine for the Tejas? So many thought the Super Hornet was going to be the winner for the MMRCA. No way it was going to lose now (then)…
EELightningA Naval Variant counts if one has something called an Aircraft Carrier. But since the MMRCA requirements don’t call for a carrier capable fighter, and what do ya now, the IAF doesn’t have any. This capability is irrelevant. The IAF would be more interested in a Flux Capacitor.
EELightningI believe what our new forum member means is; is can the F-35A stand up against the PAK-FA and J-20.
Btw, welcome, KyoyamaAnna.
All three aircraft are very early in their development stages so such questions are largely debatable on many levels.
EELightningDon’t get the Champagne out yet Rafale fan brigade. No anouncement has been made…looks like a fantasy headline to me.
I’ve heard similar before…Switzerland, UAE, Brazil, Morroco, Lybia, Singapore etc.
Wait for an official announcment, chaps.
Wrt the joint letter from the four European leaders representing Eurofighter GmbH. How is that such a “bad thing” at such a time? These four leaders have been lobbying for their product(s) for months, years as has other country leaders for their products. This so-called joint letter would’ve stated a hell of a lot more than ‘5th member’ member of the Eurofighter Programme. The word ‘Confidential’ would indicate that this joint letter isn’t just about getting the Indians to select the Typhoon. One would be very much mistaken otherwise.
EELightningThe Rafale has won this one for sure but winning is just the first step. Hard negotiations are waiting for the ‘Rafale International’ team as the final price is most probably much higher than what India is ready to pay so if Dassault and the partners don’t allow some flexibility in price negotiations , the whole thing could blow into their face. Its not like the Mirage 2000 upgrade deal, India has an alternative this time.
We’ve heard that so many times before. And we all know how amazing Dassault are at negotiating such important deals. :diablo:
Sending a “joint letter” to India isn’t all that bad as many seem to think it is. Just because Obama Almighty did and failed, doesn’t mean others won’t. It doesn’t show any sign of weakness, or being losers or whatever. It’s just lobbying of which all sides have been doing ever since they’ve been a part of it. I’d be more concerned if they didn’t to be honest.
EELightningMSphere, you forgot the integrated nespresso machine so the pilot can talk directly to god sometimes… 😀
Just dial in…No, thats so last gen. More like, voice activate the numbers, ‘666’ to be put through to God, or his bestest mate, Charles Darwin. I bet he could tell us about the evolution and generations of fighter aircraft! :diablo:
EELightningIs that another 5th gen definition you have invented today at your breakfast table?
You conveniently omitted supercruise, makes me wonder why. I can remember that you were one of the greatest propagators of the SC ability quite recently. Funny that after learning that even Gripen can do it while LM forgot to teach your F-35 this stunt it’s suddenly not important anymore.
BTW, F-22 lacks at least half of these, so let us put it nicely back to 4+ gen where it rightfully belongs. 😎
Quite so.
I think LM (and fan-boys) have played this so-called “5th-Gen” nonsense a bit too much without actually thinking it through. Mind, this is LM we’re talking about. Patron Saints of Shifting Goal Posts.
EELightningHow can they deliver tranche 3 with AESA when AESA specification has not flow yet. Show me that 1400 T/R module EF in test flights.
How many test EF test vehicles with AESA is going to be built?
As needs to be explained to you, once again. The Captor-E has been confirmed for entry into service in 2015, this meets India’s requirements, or time shedule. Eurofighter GmbH & Co convinced India that it’d be on shedule and ready in time, along side other things (Saab failed to this). The initial 18 aircraft are to be produced on European production lines, these are more than likely to be two-seat trainers out of a few others that will start to roll off Indian production lines along side single-seaters fom 2017-18. Captor-M would most probably be good enough for the initial 18 Typhoons and by time 2017-18 comes along, Captor-E would have already had more than it’s fair share of operational flight time.
Captor-E and Captor-M have quite a bit in common with each other, we’ve heard that the Captor-E shares it’s “back end” for example, this can be seen for two main reasons; 1) It’s a proven, reliable piece. 2) Reduced risks (a “de-risk” as Selex put it). The CAESAR demonstrator (which is Captor-E) first successfully flew onboard Typhoon DA5 in 2007 – R&D was significantly active as early as 2002 taking lessons and knowledge from the likes of the European AMSAR project, of which goes back as early as 1993. IIRC? (and reasons being; I don’t remember right now) CAESAR had around 1,000 TR modules onboard during it’s first flight (or on other test flights) on DA5 in 2007, give or take -+ 100 TR modules as opposed to 1,400+ TR modules for Captor-E/Repositioner. It’s more mature than so many give it credit for.
How many of these test flights that took place is a guess, at best. And how progress is coming with Captor-E as we speak is yet again, a guess at best with very limited, if any at all, information available to us. Eurofighter GmbH & Co seem to keep tight lipped on such kinds of progress and milestones; introduction of frontline operational service of HEA or flight seperation trials of Meteor and various software upgrade and enhancements etc so on and so forth springs to mind. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if so many members on here aren’t aware of Typhoons carrying 2,000lb GPS/LGBs…
EELightningBut you can’t get around the entry into service timelines for the Block II with both the USN and RAAF. And as far as the blog’s use of unattributed, “alleged” quotes goes, you would need to place in them in the context of the attributed, in back and white, quotes coming out of the RAAF and USN about the Block two, including those made after Bersama Shield 11.
So Captor-E is in service? By the time Captor-E is fully developed, refitted to a sizeable number of aircraft and is operational (I won’t mention post financial crises European defence budgets), the F-18F’s APG-79 and associated networking capabilities won’t have improved as well?
Yes, the F-18 in all it’s variants is consistently written off in this forum. So?
Well whatever we discuss about this particular RAAF pilot’s words, they’re going to be doubted no matter what. He preffered the Typhoon to the F/A-18F Super Hornet and other sources suggest that RAF Typhoons came out on top during all engagements with these fighters. Take it as one wishes.
And, I didn’t state that Captor-E is in operational service nor did I state that the APG-79 won’t have improved. (Captor-E has quite a lot in common with Captor-M, D). But if the Typhoon + Captor-M can come out on top against an F/A-18F + APG-79. Well, Jolly Spiffing. (And as I’m aware, engagements were both WVR & BVR)
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The Israeli and Italian Air Forces on Friday completed a two-week joint training exercise involving fighter jets from both nations. The exercise involved pilots flying F-16A, F-16C and F-15Is from three Israeli squadrons, pitted against Italian Air Force pilots flying Eurofighter Typhoons and Panavia Tornado strike fighters. This was the second joint exercise the Italian Air Force is conducting with the Israel Air Force in the IAF Airbase in Ovda, near Eilat, flying over the Israeli air/ground and air/air training range in the southern Negev desert. A similar exercise took place two months ago at the Italian Air Force at the Decimomannu Airbase in Sardinia.
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