In 2006 Shtil was still exported to China. so what else ships under construction in 2006 that uses Shtil?

They came with the sovs.
why don’t you show us some evidence that shtil was exported for new ships.
considering they already have 6 054As in constructions right now, exporting 6 sets of VLU shtil would be quite a heavily reported news.

Lol, hi mate. You going to lecture us on the differences between Shtil and HQ-16?

where did I say it uses HQ-16?
Let me just go with one reason I have never used before. Recent Chinese naval SAMs are tested on the experiment ship 891 before they are deployed. We haven’t seen Rif and shtil on 891 even though they are already deployed on 051C and 052B respectively. But, we have seen whatever’s on 054A just got installed on 891 along with a new generation of MFR, FCR and VSR.

super hornets

http://www.nuaa.edu.cn/news/video/20070423YHSFY.wmv

thanks, it’s interesting how huitong basically got the entire KD-88 series out of the beginning of the footage. Note, YJ-83K looks bigger than the two variants of KD-88.

so, interestingly enough, we got some new pictures coming out of the search radar on 054A. I’ve attached, 3 photos. 1st is Top plate on 052B, 2nd is Sea Eagle on 054A launched in HP and 3rd is on 054A launched in HD. Notice the difference between 1st and the last two.

As I said before, No Top plate on 054A. Just because several systems on 054A look like some Russian systems, doesn’t mean they are those Russian ones.

what is this $9B? basically giving $3.5B for getting $9B of investment. and sale is still FMS not commercial.

Many countries have offset agreements. Simply extra incentives to sign the contract. You buy some of my product, I will do some investment in your country.

BeitragVerfasst am: Di Apr 17, 2007 21:19 Titel: Antworten mit Zitat
http://www.sinodefence.com/news/2007/news07-04-17.asp
Zitat:
17 April 2007

J-10 Fighter to be Fitted with a Chinese-Made Engine

Chinese media reported on 15 April that the Chengdu J-10 fighter was to be fitted with a indigenously-built engine “within this year”.

According to the report, a senior official of Chengdu-based 611 Aircraft Design Institute recently told the press that although the early production variant of the J-10 was fitted with a foreign-made engine for lower risk, the fighter would certainly be fitted with a Chinese indigenous engine, and this was likely to happen this year.

In a few sentences an indigenously-built engine becomes an indigenous engine. So we have to wait and see the real thing.

Shenyang-based AVIC1 Aviation Engine Institute has been developing the indigenous WS-10A turbofan engine, which is also known as ‘Taihang’ in its commercial name. Reportedly based on some AL-31F technologies, the engine is rated at 73.5kN dry and 110kN with afterburning.

Well, you can read up on the WS-10 thread, I think there is a thread just on this. All the arguments about links to AL-31F have already been made, so you should probably read that up to make a decision for yourself. Although of interest, the thrust listed by sinodefense in that article is clearly run. It’s actually 132kN with afterburning.

That’s nonsense tranche 3 standard aircraft are not even defined. And before you suggest that more composites will find their way into the MiG-35 take into account that the Eurofighter is only made to 15 % of metal. The MiG-35 in its planned form has only 15 % composites. I highly doubt that any Fulcrum derivate will have composites anywhere close to the degree as the Typhoon.

It’s really useless arguing with star49 on this. He believes su-35 will be better than F-35 in 2015. He actually argued with me that Mig-35 aren’t any cheaper than Typhoon once. He believes flankers/Fulcrum have more room for improvements despite being much later in their life cycle.

btw, I find your numbers for the load of Mig-29s kind of interesting. I thought it’s something like 6.5g to 7g for the transonic region.

WS-13 is paper project untill this point. just like no engine for K-8/L-15.
MIG-29K/MIG-35/MIG-29OVT are all flying with 9300KG version of RD engine. and above there are decades of operational user input especially from hot countries of Africa/Middleast/Asia into improving RD engines for those climates. IAF experiance was the key. and further more there 10,500Kg test versions also flying and soon to be certified.
Unless China provide free engines with a fighter. there is no chance of WS-13 ever catching up in FC-1 life time.

hmm, this paper project is already in the long endurance test right now. Using WS-10A timeframe. It will achieve IOC and be revealed to public in the first half of nex tyear.

The Chinese on the other hand have the J-10 almost fully indigenous.

which part is not indigenous?