I have seen the JF-17 cockpit and know how it looks. But as mentioned most cockpits of todays combat ac look similar to a certain degree, but as mentioned that says nothing about the man machine interface, which is quite important.

lol, I guess it’s hard to know unless you try the machine out, huh?
They said that HOTAS was designed in a way that it can be adjusted specifically for the pilot’s hand and that they had many buttons, allowing the pilot to take actions faster. The article didn’t really compare it to Western planes (I’m sure it’s less advanced), but it said that it provided more information than su-30mkk’s interface and allowed for better interaction for the pilot.

@Tphuang
Thanks for the information. I for my self couldn’t find the topic here yet.

Some comments:
– HOTAS, MFDs and HuD are common to all somewhat advanced fighters, but that says nothing about the MMI
– 2 MIL STD 1553B is not much at all. Would be interesting to the a picture of the busstructure
– IRST-pod? I think it would be more a FLIR-pod for navigation and attack purposes
– About the EW suite it would be interesting to read more about it to compare it to systems used in other aircraft

If you look a few month back in one of the JF-17 threads on this forum, you can see the cockpit. It does look very advanced. J-10’s cockpit has also been shown, although some people would say that’s from the prototype and the current version is more advanced.
As for the other stuff, JF-17 is a cheap 4th generation fighter after all. No need to expect Rafale level avionics. Although, you can expect J-10 to have more advanced avionics than JF-17.

Nope. There was big problem for Pakistan to aquire something on the level of F-16C with AMRAAM. Allthought they got what they want in the end – god knows how much they was forced to give up and what promises they gave USA to become that contract. And even then its still not clear if Pakistan will become all latest F-16 G-G ordnance from USA – like JDAM, etc. Btw, its not even clear if Pakistan got all fighters they want – in fact, i almost sure they would like to have more new and upgraded F-16 than they got from Uncle.
Thats another problem – USA dont want to sell advanced equipment to Pakistan.

I’ve followed PAF quite a bit lately and I think you are quite wrong here. It seems like due to the availability of J-10, PAF actually cut the number of F-16s they were looking to purchase. It went from 55-75 new units to 18 with 18 option. That’s a drop of 37 F-16s. Guess how many J-10s they were reported purchasing in the initial batch? 36. And yes, Pakistan got all of the weapons you mentionned like JDAM, AIM-120C5 and a bunch of precision munitions. Also, it seems like J-10 is the winner of the “plus-one” competition in Pakistan between J-10, F-16 and Gripen.

There were a lot of topics about the size of the J-10. Many measured the size with the help of the weapons attached to the aircraft as their specs were known it is possible to calculate size relative exactly.
I haven’t the exact specs in my head but if I remember correctly the J-10 is at least longer. Wing area and span might be lower, but the lenght is very important for the aircrafts overall size.

I don’t doubt that the J-10 has a overall comprehensive and modern avionics suite, but I doubt it is as advanced and comprehensive in some areas as that of the Rafale or Eurofighter.

BTW I seem to have missed the FC-1/JF-17 avionics article, could you give me a link. I would be interested to know more about it. The more I read about these chinese fighters the more I’m getting interested in them.

There is simply too many guesses on the size of J-10. I’m not sure about the length and wingspan, since I haven’t really sat down and done precise measurements. Comparing to other plaaf planes, it seems to be between JF-17 and J-8II in weight class. My personal estimate is around 8000 kg. Using a 13,200 kg engine seems quite adequate, although I certainly don’t expect it to have TWR of the typhoon. Maybe that will come along with supercruise when J-10 gets equipped with a 155 kN engine in the future.

As for JF-17 avionics article, you can look it up, it’s in this forum somewhere, but I will just summarize based on what I can remember:
– uses a mission computer an 2 main 1553B databus.
– modern HOTAS controller
– 3 MFDs + 1 HUD heavily integrated with the plane and gives good situation awareness. Claims to give far better situation awareness than mkk.
– a slotted array radar
– MFD can view information from FLIR/IRST? I think in this case, IRST would be a pod rather than a built in IRST.
– advanced EW suite, it described in that article certain features that only F-22 and Rafale currently have
– advanced RWR with a library of known seekers
– 3 MAW providing 360 degree coverage against missiles (especially IR missile)
– laser range finder? Can’t remember here.

While CAC may steal the limelight with the declassification of its J-10 fighter, the SAC certainly wants to gain back some points by revealing its latest J11B heavy fighter with 2 PL-12 ARH MRAAM to the public.

man, you even copied the words of the guy who posted this picture originally.

but no, SAC won’t get any limelight back. I’m still waiting for them to certify this plane, then we can have some battles between J-10 and J-11B, that would be interesting.

For my opinion the two most interesting pics !!! 😉

As I said before, J-10 has retractable IFR. It’s interesting that they showed J-10s dropping bombs, must be just for demonstration purposes.

I believe thats a 76mm gun as opposed to a 100mm weapon.

Also in the above picture which highlights the position of the CIWS, an intersting structure can just about be seen in front of the bridge which MIGHT be the base for a HHQ-7 launcher or potentially a VLS (054A style), but I have not seen any missile directors on th 071 yet.

well, it looks like type 360 radar got installed on 071. I think they would need the double plated Sea Eagle to be installed + the FCRs for the 054A style VLS. If they add a type 345 radar, which has yet to be seen on 071, then we know hhQ-7 is going on for sure.

Do you know where specifically? I checked out their shipyards on the NE of Shanghai and the yards with the big gantry cranes on the near bank are all orange and there are no gantry cranes in the yard on the far bank. Or is it that the Google Earth shot is really old? BTW any idea why the Chinese seem to like to paint their buildings blue? I thought it was just that particular ship yard but they’re everywhere.

buildings blue? Really? I visited Shanghai just this summer and don’t recall any blue buildings. It could just be the time of the year these photos were taken. I don’t know about the location of Hudong. Someone can correct me here, they have all of the parts built in Zhonghua and then sent over to Hudong for the assemble. Considering that they assemble much larger ships like LNG at HD, I think that’s how 054A and 071 got assembled so fast. Even the paint job was done much faster than expected.

They say that Dalian and HD argued bitterly over who will get this 071 contract (they both built yuting class). And it’s likely that even though Dalian is much slower than HD, they will get the next order. HD will work on the Thai ships and Pakistani F-22P.