Coincidentally, it is the eighty-third anniversary of Houdini’s death today.;)

Yeah, thats one fix he never got out of….

Maybe I should read the other post more closely, before posting the same answer :p

I saw the original WWII image somewhere in a small article about the image. I will try to find it. Pretty well done.

Hi Guys
First post so bear with me.
Difficult one this isn’t it.
I can see why people are concerned about the images but at the same time from being on for a couple of weeks I would like to think that the vast majority of people on here are intelligent, not naive and in the majority not macabre.
Nobody wants to see this sort of thing but it does remind us what really was happening out there (I don’t think most of us need reminding)
On a tangent I felt uncomfortable watching RR299 on youtube but reading comments and links to AAIB at least I could understand

Respect All

Jon

Welcome to the forum Jon – take a bit of guts to start in a thread like this 😀

That there is a difference between two things does not mean that one doesn’t matter.

People, who need pictures of mutilated bodies in order to understand the horror of war, are the same kind of people who keep starting them. No amount of gore will ever educate them.

Hands up anyone who has seen pictures of the dead in World War 1, especially the images of dismembered dead soldiers printed in so many of the current history books. Both those images and the ones of the Hurricane pilot show the futility of war.

There is a big difference between publishing pictures of anonymous battle casualties and publishing pictures of a named individual, who might still have living relatives. I doubt anyone here would like to see their deceased relatives when visiting an online forum, or opening a book. It’s not the fact that Sgt Lazarev is dead, it’s that he is Sgt Lazarev.

I doubt anyone interested in historic military aviation needs any reminder about the human cost of warfare. Few groups of people pay more tribute to the fallen, than those within military history community, by visiting graves and restoring monuments. We know many people died, its part of the topic, but it’s not the primary fascination.

The “futility of war” can be seen every day in every news media. I for one do not need pictures of the remains of Sgt Lazarev to understand that.

Its easy to predict a price for something you have never done before.

Those particular projects have been discussed here ad infinitum before now, and are scant to say the least. I would go so far as to suggest that there is not enough material there to even contemplate a rebuild, bearing in mind the complexity of the FW190 – and yes, it is something I do know quite a bit about…!

Bruce

I don’t know how they estimate the work, but 55.000 man-hours is quite a lot of work. It’s actually 28½ full working years, or 7 men working 37 hour weeks in 4 years – actual work, not coffee breaks and milling about. I like to call it Marshall of Cambridge work-hours.

We used to swap airframes on Lynx helicopters in 18.000 hours and that’s A LOT of work. So restoring an Fw-190 in 55.000 hours does not seem all that crazy to me, allowing for some parts to be purchased from subcontractors. At £25 an hour, the actual work only comes to about £1,4m, so there are a good bit left for materials and whatever extra is needed.

As I understand it, they are not actually rebuilding the aircraft, but rather constructing a new one, based on the identity of the wreck. I’m pretty sure that no functional part from the wreck will ever be certified and deemed airworthy. The engines are from somewhere else it appears.

For a professional workshop with tools and materials ready, you can get pretty far in 55.000 hours. If it’s some garage outfit, they will never finish, not even in 100.000 hours. I have no idea about their actual setup, I just think it sounds possible if the setup is right.