I would like to know the history of this particular throttle box out of curiosity
but also would like it to go to a good home such as a museum. I don’t think that my cockpit project would be important enough to “waste” an original throttle box on it. It deserves to be used in a restoration of an original cockpit.Cheers
Cees
What a noble thought (and a post worth the wait 🙂 ).
But are there other “original” projects out there?
From the early bidding, I think we can assume, that there is genuine interest in the item. Hopefully it will end in public display, rather than hidden in another private collection (from where i assume it has surfaced).
Would you try to ask the seller about the history?
Excellent
Take your time 😉
Want my opinion?
Cees
Naturally
No matter how it got there, I’m pretty excited about seeing and hearing it fly. Guess I still have a few years to wait.
9 days to go and already a bidding war:p
Looks in pretty good condition too.
Keeping an eye on that one, just to see the final price tag.
As its an ex Aussie Beau, I wish someone here could buy her and bring her HOME!
AFAIK there are British parts in her too, so she is sort of home (a bit).
Besides, how did she get to Duxford?
If moved from Oz, there must have been a lack of interest in her native country, or was there other factors at play?
As a person who grew up in North Queensland, Australia where a lot of the aeroplanes that flew in the battle for the Coral Sea and the americans who flew them were based/trained , I see very little value in having a memorial out in the remote place.
I prefer to see the wrecks recovered and restored where possible or used in the restoration of other aircraft. A memorial could be errected there in the form of a stone cairn with a information plate giving details of the aircraft that crashed there.
cheers
Hi Proctor,
I don’t think its a crash site, but rather a dump site, so the memorial i mentioned would have been sort of a general war memorial. Showing that once that island was a place of combat flying.
In non-aviation archeology they often record everything about a site, then leave it untouched for future generations. They realise that there are more relics, than there are museums to hold and restore them (and these museums often have government backing).
When I say preserving them in situ, I do mean preserve. If an aircraft of that type should later be rebuild, people are able to use the preserved aircraft as “templates”. Trying to rebuild one of the actual aircraft (as seen on the pictures) would never produce anything airworthy. There is not one bit on those planes that will ever fly (ok, there might be one or two bits, but not enough to warrent a recovery).
They could be used as basis for a diorama, but they are already in the most perfect diorama possible. Besides, most museums are looking to display aircraft, not wrecks.
Unless a restoration group can produce a full restoration plan (or a defined plan to use parts in aircraft already under restoration) and provide proof of the financial means to execute that plan, I’m pretty much against recovering aircraft in that state. There are aircraft out there, that are in a far better condition, and those should have priority. Maybe the Americans should lobby their government for access to US navy aircraft 😎
Just to set the record straight, i too would like to see them restored, but I don’t think that would happen. If they are recovered, I’m willing to bet that they will end in storage, never to be seen again. A project of that size, would need serious commitment from a large group of people (not to mention quite a lot of money). Unless one of the major museums are willing to undertake it (and most of them already have a storage room full of aircraft, just waiting their turn – rare and historic aircraft too), such a restoration would stall and change hands a number of times, before the aircraft finally end up as parts scattered all over the place (a seat here, an instrument panel here and a cool cylinder on the shelf).
There is not enough interest in japanese warbirds (of that size) to finance a full restoration. Had it been a US/UK warbird, things might have been different.
I would love to be proven wrong, but having seen plenty of pictures of private “restoration projects” (none mentioned), I’m very reluctant to belive these aircraft would be any different.
Pity, but I think that they did their best with the resources they had (the cost of the operation was about 650 pounds). These days more information is available how to deal with corrosionm (and even now it’s still difficult).
If Stirling EF311 would be brought up from the channel it will be race against time to stop corrosion.Cheers
Cees
With the right team (and financial backing) even that can be done.
Non-aviation archaeologists often deal with even more fragile items, and have found ways and methods to save them. When recovering 1000 year old wood from mud, it rots almost instantaneously when in contact with the atmosphere (alot faster than any metal aircraft), still they manage.
It would be a serious problem, but as any such problem, it can be overcome.
How much is left of that Stirling?
I think the photos CLEARLY demonstrate the result when relics are left in situ.
Fund a good museum to house a few and recover the rest for preservation before they are scrapped or nothing is left.
I wrote PRESERVED in situ. That means taking measures against further deterioration. I was not suggesting just leaving them.
Read the magazine and you will find out, what you think and the facts are way different.
Dave
The magasine is not on sale where i live, so I’m stuck with my thoughts.
Unless you would like to share your information, rather than just refering to the magasine 😉
Hi Resmoroh,
Thanks for the transmission info.
The link is now working again, but it don’t give any more info.
Strange how no one seem to know why it was knocked down. Even the local paper. I would assume that these things are discussed on some local level, even if its a MOD tower, but it seems somebody just knocked it down.
The link is now dead….
I was wondering what history the mast has?
If I lived close to a monstrosity like that, i would be happy to see it gone, BUT on the other hand, if it has some history maybe it would be worth keeping.
The buildings i love!
There is just something about abandoned buildings, that really gets my interest. Around here (Denmark) we have quite a few German bunkers, shelters and other buildings. I love the feeling of “once!” around them.
Maybe thats why I’m in two minds about people turning them into small museums. Sure its really great someone takes care of them and restore them, so others can see how they looked, but to me, the abandoned feeling speaks volumes more.
Also there are way too many historic (wartime) relics and just a few groups trying to keep them. We can’t save them all, but we can make sure the saved ones remain saved.
It would actually be a question, that I would like to discuss here:
Is it worth trying to save every wartime relic being torn down, or should the effort be saved for those really special places?
Blimey!
And its not even xmas.
Maybe that could help in convinsing my local city council, that we actually do need the big hangars for the museum, not jus the two smaller ones :diablo:
The latest Classic Wings has a couple of pages on the recovery of the Ballalae wrecks and shows why the remaining wrecks won’t survive much longer ‘in situ’
Dave
Unless the island is sinking under them, then they can be preserved on site. Sticking them in the back of a museum storage hangar, never to be seen again, just seem like an odd choice to me.
Aircraft are outdoor things and can survive outdoors it threated right. Naturally somebody has to pay for the work, and it might be hard find somebody willing.