The FHC Bf109 is not under rebuild. It was rebuilt in the UK and completed a while back – there are photos of it doing engine runs. Unknown if it has actually flown, but certainly rebuilt to flying condition.
I **nearly** added Spitfire Ia P9374 to the list (under rebuild to fly) but, after a spot of browsing, I found she was shot down in May 1940….
So the FHC Bf109 is flying, thats cool.
I checked their website
http://www.flyingheritage.com/TemplateTopImages.aspx?contentId=36
Its listed as “Currently Under Restoration”, but they might not update their site often.
Yep, the Battle of Britain experience is still a part of RAFM Hendon. One word of advice if visiting there from someone that lives right next to it (in fact if you go there via public transport you’ll walk past my house) – be very wary at night, and no one pays attention to the highway code, especially at pedestrian crossings!
I will be arriving on motorcycle in daylight, but i will “check my six” nervertheless.
Cosford would be on route if sailing to Ireland from Holyhead….
Jon
Just had a look at their website and it looks great!
Years ago i visited the RAF museum in Hendon (was there also a Battle of britain museum there once?) and the expirence stuck with me.
No doubt i will visit Cosford.
Parts of the Tangmere Museum are off limits to photography too. Was told in no uncertain terms when I was there a couple of weeks ago. Able to take photos in the main hangars, but not of the section where the relics/uniforms etc are. It was an honest mistake as I never saw the notices, but was pretty miffed to be honest, as I was wanting to take some reference photos of the uniforms and flight gear. Found it all a little bit odd… :confused:
Again, people who think they can protect items by a photo ban, do not live in the real world.
Primarily because an actual thief would be able to take any photo he/she wanted. There is no way (outside secret service work) where a 100% photo ban can be enforced. Cameras are now so small, that they will fit perfectly into any object you can think of.
The only people such a ban hurts, are the normal paying visitor.
There are museums who own items, that are sensitive to flash photography and mostly this is listed. I have even heard about a complete ban in some of those places, due to the fact that people are too stupid to switch off the flash on their own camera.
No aircraft (not even fabric covered aircraft) are damaged by flash photography and certainly not by notebook sketching.
Yes, they display a large chunk of Do17Z there that has family relevance to me – two of the crew were captured by a relation, hence my interest in a photo.
I phoned the owner, care of a phone number given by an acquaintance of his here, and spoke to him. He wasn’t especially friendly, but suggested I write to the trustees. I did, explaining the situation, offering to make a donation to the museum in turn for a photograph to illustrate the family history. I also offered to make over the copyright to them if I took a pic, and generally laid it on thick.
They never even bothered to reply – despite me sending an SAE. Call me old-fashioned, but if someone writes personally and sends an SAE, I will always reply as it would be the height of rudeness not to. Plus they did themselves out of the money they always claim to be so short of.
I have not gone back. I do not plan to go back.
Adrian
Thats unbelievable!
How can people with that attitude run a museum (administered as a charitable trust)?
I would like to know on what planet a ban on camera/notebook/recording equipment would prevent theft?
Notebooks, I mean come on. How can even the most suspicious mind connect that, with the possibility of theft?
I consider myself lucky, that all the aviation enthusiasts i have met, have been of the sharing kind, who take great delight in passing on their knowledge and passion for historic aviation.
Well i found that the Ed Russell and the Flying Heritage Collection are two different aircraft (maybe many already knew this).
That makes the list:
Airworthy:
Peter Vacher’s Hurricane R4118.
BBMF’s Spitfire P7350.
Ed Russell’s Bf109E CF-EML (cn 3579).
Under restoration:
Possibly an Me 109 E being rebuild (Indian one?).
Flying Heritage Collection’s Bf109E-3.
Unknown:
P3351 may and may not have seen BoB action.
Great picture.
I seem to remember having a Matchbox Lancaster, that came in that green colour.
[QUOTE=’D-Day’;1227838]I remember speaking with the ‘owner’ once years ago, all he said about the whole ‘museum’ was,
” It’s all MINE!!!!”[/QUOTE]
My precioussss……………:diablo:
The Flying Heritage Collection’s ‘109E hasn’t been mentioned, has it?
There has been talks about two US Bf109s. One was just said to be in the US, the other was called Ed Russell’s. They might be the same.
If the Flying Heritage Collection has another, then its 2 or 3 in the States. But they could all be the same aircraft.
No photographs, no notebooks, no cameras, no mobile phones, no recording equipment of any kind. If you get found with any of these you will be ejected, apparently!
So they preserve not only the aircraft, but also the spirit for witch it fought.
Talk about capturing the moment.
I was just reading through this post and realised that only BBMF’s P7350 seem to have confirmed BoB action.
So:
Peter Vacher’s Hurricane R4118.
BBMF’s Spitfire P7350.
A possible Bf109E in the States (is that the one named as Ed Russell’s later?).
P3351 may and may not have seen BoB action.
And Possibly an Me 109 E being rebuild (Indian one?).
Thats not really a lot.
Am I wrong in assuming, that anyone owning a BoB veteran, would make sure EVERYBODY knew about it?
I never really get these “superior aircraft” questions.
Surely its in the hands of the pilot. Good pilots have downed “superior” enemy aircraft.
Looking at kill-rate statistics would give more information on the level of pilot training, than the state of aircraft superiority. Of cause the actual pilots who flew back then, would have their favourite aircraft, but they might not agree between them.
A further snag on kill-rate statistics, is the case where (as in over Japan) the aircraft in question meet very few enemy fighters, or (as in Europe towards then end) meet enemy pilots with (mostly) a low standard of training.
Sidenote:
Didn’t the Russians have a fair amount of success with the P-39 and actually liked flying and fighting it, despite most other users considered it inferior even to their own inventory?
Maybe it just suited their training and flying style.
If the question is about performance, then its a simple question of research.
The F4U-4 outperforms the rest in max speed, service ceiling and rate of climb (it also had a high kill ratio 11:1, but F6F had an even higher kill-ratio 19:1 i think). Is it a better aircraft?
Was the cannons better, did it survive more hits, was it more agile, did the pilot have a better view?
In particular i find the choice between those four aircraft a very personal opinion. So for whats its worth, I vote for the P-51D :p
Thanks for the tip, i’ll be sure to get that soon.
It seems there are none that covers civilian W&R anymore, thats a shame but its also a huge task to locate and note all those aircraft.
Maybe its a future community task, a group in each country adding their local W&R to an online database.
I will try to make a list for Denmark and upload it to a website, maybe even build a website where other people can upload pictures and information on W&R.
I already have WRECKS & RELICS 19th Edition and “The Album” pictorial.
Great books and thats why i was looking for the European book. I live in Denmark and travel more in mainland Europe than the British islands.
They always dub English films in Germany.
Any major release will have German speaking voice-over (artists i think they are called).
Has been an expirence to hear John Wayne speak German, and they actually used the same actor throughout Waynes career.