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  • July 7, 2017 at 9:35 pm in reply to: Two-seater Messerschmitt in the UK…. #800375
    DangerM
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    You may want to telephone to confirm it is flying, there are rumours that it isn’t going to fly in the UK and will be static only.

    March 20, 2017 at 8:58 am in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #782460
    DangerM
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    Are you sure about that? I surveyed that aircraft many years ago after the fuselage had been built to single seat spec. The original pieces from the scrapyard were found in an adjacent room.

    Not sure at all, thanks for the info so I have a choice of ML407, PV202, MJ627 or MT818 to make sure I fly in something with original material in it Instead of a reconstruction. There is also a cost factor in my case as well, outside of the scope of this thread I’m sure but according to this table on the two seat Spitfire page NH341 and PV202 (when used by Aero Legends) is between £48 and £55 per MINUTE more expensive than the other operators for this year and in 2018 the difference per minute will be between £64 and £72.

    https://www.facebook.com/TheTwoSeatSpitfirePage/photos/p.662779783908103/662779783908103/?type=3&theater

    In my mind, and I know some won’t agree, I would rather spend what is quite a sum to fly in an original for longer time and less money than a reconstruction with tenuous links to an original.

    March 19, 2017 at 5:40 pm in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #782951
    DangerM
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    From my point of view if an aircraft has been in continuous service and had major components replaced then it is still the same aircraft. If it has been sat in a hangar, museum or scrapyard and then had parts replaced with serviceable ones then it is still the same aircraft, either way it has provenance linking it to the original. Where I become a bit uneasy is when a few bits of tangled wreckage are dug out of the ground having been shot down violently 70 years ago or more, used to prove an identity for a new aircraft to be built and then thrown away/scrapped/stored. I am by no means belittling the incredible work put in by engineers to rebuild/reconstruct these aircraft, in fact I am quite in awe of the skill to do so, what I am against is then presenting the aircraft as the original. In the case of the aircraft which started this thread, NH341, the owner is promoting it as the aircraft that saw service in World War 2 for business purposes, will passengers be flying in the aircraft that its original pilots flew in? Will there be any part of the original? I will be taking a flight in a two seat Spitfire next year but it will be either ML407, PV202, MJ627, MT818 or possibly SM520 as I see them as continuing the existence of the original and even if parts have been replaced there is something of the original in them. I am aware that SM520 started with only major components from a scrapyard but I believe it gives it a tangible identity. Not so much a new built aircraft that takes its identity from a stencil on a spar cover plate that was copied on to a new built item. Just my personal point of view.

    March 19, 2017 at 9:41 am in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #783162
    DangerM
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    Only when it is burnt and buried in the ground then it is dead..Thats what the word “history” is…

    Like, for instance a Spitfire that was shot down by FW190’s and buried itself in a field after the Pilot baled out. Some tangled bits were then dug up, put in a museum, sold to a private collector and then a Spitfire was built claiming to be that aircraft whilst the original bits were binned/stored/scrapped and the aircraft built doesn’t have any parts of the original aircraft, not even a data plate?

    March 13, 2017 at 11:51 am in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #786588
    DangerM
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    I am wondering with all these 2 seater spitfires to choose from, will it bring the price down for flights?

    I think the price will stay the same as the running costs won’t change, I am looking at having a flight in 2018 and have been told the following prices for 2018,

    Boultbee £2750 for 30 minutes.

    Biggin Hill £2450 for 30 minutes.

    Classic wings £2450 for 25 minutes.

    Aero Legends £2750 for 20 minutes.

    March 12, 2017 at 3:01 pm in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #787038
    DangerM
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    Thanks for the advice, if I choose to express an opinion I will, maybe you should stop being an armchair warrior and attacking people who don’t agree with your point of view. It seems to me many think some aircraft are replicas, fantastic machines in there own right but not the original article. That is their point of view and just because it isn’t yours there is no need to get antagonistic.

    March 12, 2017 at 2:52 pm in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #787058
    DangerM
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    What Loaves into Spitfires sort of Thing?

    March 12, 2017 at 2:38 pm in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #787183
    DangerM
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    Interesting, so made up of bits of wreckage from two Spitfires, new parts – presumably the bit that looks like a Spitfire and a wooden frame. That answers the wreckage identity question which just leaves the question of any parts from NH341 being suitable for use and incorporated into the new build airframe of NH341. I guess unless the owner expands on his restoration reports which seem to indicate no original NH341 parts were used then we will never know if there is a continuing provenance of that aircraft in the new one. If there aren’t any parts of NH341 incorporated into the reconstruction I don’t think any owner would admit to that publicly as it may have an effect on the aircrafts value possibly?

    March 12, 2017 at 10:45 am in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #787212
    DangerM
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    I must admit I find this one confusing. There are pictures of wreckage in a French museum which is said to be the basis of the rebuild but in Spitfire survivors that aircraft is said to be ML295.

    I have just finished reading all of the rebuild reports on the owners website and it says that the fuselage, wings, tailplane, cowlings etc are all new build. One report says it takes its identity from markings found on a firewall which was replaced by a new build firewall. Other reports mention original Spitfire items but as they had to be sourced I’m guessing they weren’t from NH341? There is no mention of a data plate or pictures of one.

    If all of that is correct and there are no original bit’s of NH341, can it claim to be that aircraft? Shouldn’t it adopt the identity of the aircraft that the original parts fitted came from?

    All of this shouldn’t detract from the fantastic job ARCO have accomplished. Maybe someone will know how much of NH341 is actually in the aircraft and if it has an original data plate.

    March 11, 2017 at 8:28 pm in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #787521
    DangerM
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    Danger M

    That was posted on March 18, 2016.

    Brian

    Indeed it was, the point being none of the purchasers of flights to be taken in 2017 who bought on the basis of witnessing the first flight did so because it flew early in the morning before any of the flight purchasers/guests arrived…

    March 11, 2017 at 7:46 pm in reply to: Restoration of Spitfire NH341 #787550
    DangerM
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    According to this website page Aero Legends would provide ‘two invitations to the maiden flight’ for those who pre-purchased a flight in 2017.

    http://goactionstations.co.uk/fly-in-a-spitfire-2017/

    Think I would be a bit miffed if I had spent that amount with the promise of a ringside seat to the first flight only to turn up on the day and find out the flight had happened and that the aircraft was now broken…

    June 22, 2016 at 3:32 pm in reply to: Spitfire and Helicopter ground collision at Headcorn? #847422
    DangerM
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    Chap in the Cafe was quite adamant, he said that all Spitfire passenger flying was going to be from Sywell until further notice. He said the Spitfires prop had touched the helicopters rear skid, Presumably if that’s the case the Spitfire either isn’t flying or went to Sywell yesterday and today. Just my luck though, first visit to headcorn to see the Spitfire operation and it wasn’t there.

    I wonder how the passengers who bought a flight to fly over the Dover Cliffs feel…

    I guess if its been hushed up we will have to wait to see if an accident report is published before we know if its true or not.

    March 2, 2016 at 7:26 pm in reply to: Classic air force has closed #918722
    DangerM
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    According to G-INFO the Rapide has been sold to Cirrus Aviaition at Clacton, something to do with Classic Wings I presume?

    http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?catid=1&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=AIDL

    The Chipmunk to a Dutch owner,

    http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?catid=1&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=APLO

    The Prentice and Dove are registered to Air Atlantique,

    http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?catid=1&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=APJB

    http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?catid=1&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=DHDV

    January 9, 2016 at 3:36 pm in reply to: Classic Air force Sales #871293
    DangerM
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    Didn’t Action Stations advertise on their website that they had bought the Devon?

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