To what end? So that British soilders can be hated as much by the locals as American troops?

Look at the casaulty figures for the two forces and you will see the benefit of the British ‘hearts and minds’ tactic.

Your reaction is exactly what the terrorists want – for the British army to loose its professionalism and start going out seeking to get retribution. That’ll turn the local people against you, for every insurgent you kill, ten more will rise up to take his place, and if that happens, then your have already lost.

When talking about Iranian political and religious leaders and “most Americans;” define we.

From my observations, it would seem that ‘we’ would be defined as world oppinion, with a few exceptions like Israel. As examplified by the political debate ranging from Iraq to Iran to NK, and from various oppinion polls conducted by some newspapers which showed that most people in most nations saw America as a major threat to world peace.

You don’t see the point because you are covering your eyes and ears.
Why did so many countries helped the Tsunami victims? Bush or Blair and
the rest are not Thai or Indonisian, so why send help? Why did NATO go to
Kosovo or why some nations sent troops to Darfur? they are not Kosovars
or Sudanese so why be concerned?

If Iraq is not his concern then what did those diplomat do there in the first
place?

I’m…speachless. I find it astonishing that someone can believe with what I have just read above. Surely you can see the gaping gulf of difference between a HUMANITARIAN AID effort and MILITARY INTERVENTION!

How many locals did the international tsunami relief effort kill and how many were killed in kosovo and Iraq? It might come as a shock to some, but most rational people find it one thing to choose to send aid to help the needy and quite another to drop bombs on them to achieve their ‘liberation’. :rolleyes:

Did the Russians not send aid to help the tsunami victims or donate aid to help with the reconstruction?

Purhaps an example will make it more clear how obserd your original protest is. Terrorists killed thousands of Americans and other nationals on American soil, does that give Nato or the Russians or the Chinese grounds to send troops into America to hunt terrorists? :rolleyes:

Just because you’re are not dropping bombs on people does not mean you do not care.

And so what if Putin cares little about the suffering of others? I did not see the US or UK doing much to stop the genocide in Congo and what did the international community do about the British occupation of Northern Ireland? Every nation puts their own interests first and foremost, and I don’t see why the Russians should be criticised for doing the same. Putin is the president of Russia and not Iraq. Russia and Russians should be his primary concern, if he places the goods of other peoples ahead of Russians, then he is a poor RUSSIAN president.

I find your question regarding the Russian diplomates in Iraq highly amusing. Every nation have diplomats in every other nation, the implications must be mind boggling for you, no? 😀

Actually I’d say Iraq & North Korea would also hold that title as well as Iran.

My point is that I’m tired of people replying to this thread and only talking about American pressure on Iran, when many countries of Europe are also doing the same thing as well as nations outside of Europe & America.

Stop putting up double standards….

Oh come on mate, do you honestly think that the peoples of China, Europe and Russia are actually worried about Iran having nukes?

Russia and china couldn’t care less if Iran does get the nuke, and from what I have observed not many people in Europe, which is within striking range of those nukes, are likely to loose any sleep either.

Want to know why? We think of Iranians are rational, intellegent people instead of fanatical idiots, as opposed to most Americans.

So what if Iran gets the nuke? Is it likely to start lobbing them all over the place? No. ‘Cos they will get a great many more lobbed back at them in responce. Is it likely to start selling them to terrorists? No. Because its almost certain that the material can be traced back to them if the device is used, and the consequences will be the same as if they fired a nuclear missile.

The fact is that these same excuses have been used to explain why NK should not be allowed to get the nuke. They have it now, and are they lobbing them left right and centre? Are they selling them to everyone and his dog?

Iran, like NK want the nuke because they don’t wanna be invaded by the US.

Everyone else is getting involved because they don’t want America to invade Iran and set the whole middle-east on fire. Without the threat of US military action against Iran, I strongle suspect that everyone else will suddenly became a whole lot less bothered about Iranian nukes.

Being tough is one thing but the Russians have proven they are incapable of an effective responce to situations like the one in hall in Moscow and the school. Many died as a result of blunders on the part of the Russian military. Lets face it thay lack skill and the weapons mix to do anything effective on their own.

Sauron

The terrorist attrocities in Russia are unprecedented in the west, ie, western SF have not carried out hostage rescue ops on such a scale or against such well equiped and trained, numerous and fanatical foes before, so I don’t see how you can judge who is actually better at hostage rescue.

Take the famous SAS raid on the Iranian embassy, that operation was also full of blunders, took way too long and they were very fortunate that the hostage takers were ametures who were lightly armed, poorly led, and unexperienced or else they would have lost a great many more hostages.

And also, just what situation do you think they are dealing with here? The hostages are dead, its not a rescue mission, its a search and destroy op, and the Russians have shown that they excell at such tasks.

So basicaly Putin is unmoved by the terrorist killing thousans
of Iraqis and other nationals, how ever when it reached home
then all of a suden we will show this terrorist……..

Putin is the Russian president, Iraqs are not his concern, but Russians are. I fail to see the point you are trying to make here.

The Russians aren’t going to air-drop a division of paratroops or a Spetznaz regiment into the middle of Bagdad and start blitzing the place. These ‘special forces’ mentioned are likely to be a small Spetznaz or Alpha killteam, who would come in on the next commerial flight while their gear will go to the Russian embassy in the diplomatic poach.

The Americans should be pleased. The Russians are going to use their contacts to find and take out terror leaders they probably been after for years. I wonder if they will pay them that $5m reward if they take out the new No1 Al-Q guy in Iraq. 😀

They might be providing the camps and training but it’s a very close US
ally that provides the funding (and many of the volunteers) for the camps.
This is why the war on terror is idiotic and will never end.
instead of drying the swamp they squat at the mosquitoes one at a time.

Well, I think that there are at least two close US allies that are producing the bulk of volunteers, and another very close US ally is one of the main reasons why these volunteers are trying to target the US.

There are more ‘swamps’ to drain then one might think at a casual glance.

The American need to be at the centre of everything has its drawbacks, and all too often, it is others that pay the price, as this tragic case demonstrates.

Anyways, if the UK must follow the US into all of its wars, it needs to stop penny pinching when it comes to kit. Far too many lives have been lost already as a result of a lack or substandard kit.