Many thanks, but it isn’t that one. Fring is 5 miles from Stanhoe, and our witness is certain that whatever she saw was near the middle of her home village.
My page on Stanhoe crashes is at http://stanhoe.org/history/notes/crashes. In the last few days Bob Collis has been most helpful with details of Beaufighter T3351 and Blenheim L9262. I’d previously assumed that the “German” aircraft was the Beaufighter, but am now convinced it was a separate incident, later in the war and much nearer the village.
Nick
Very interesting to hear of your family connection. I think you mean KH546 for your uncle’s aircraft? Unfortunately I never got round to a site survey, though I’d be pleased to help on the metal detecting front if you could get the landowner’s permission –*I think you would be well placed to do this. I did contact the RAF museum, who sent me copies of the accident report cards, and some kind person also sent me an aerial photo that may or may not show the crash site. I’ll PM you.
Charles
I’ve sent you a PM.
Does anyone have any further information on this crash? Do we at least know what specification of P-51 Mustangs were involved?
Nothing more from my side, unfortunately. I don’t even have access to the crash site, since I was hoping for some more concrete information before approaching the landowner. I’m reasonably confident that metal detecting would show that we have the right place, but I don’t imagine I would find anything definitive about the aircraft type.
To recap: We have a detailed report from an eyewitness who has proved to be reliable in reporting other crashes and incidents round here.
A careful analysis of AAIR monthly records last year made me fairly sure that this collision is not listed there. My working assumption is therefore that these were RAF aircraft, but I don’t know where to find RAF records.
I never followed up Will’s suggestion to search the police records. I’ll try to do that.
Charles
it’s the collision of 2 RAF Mustangs of 126 Sqn on 23rd March 1945, FZ122 and KH546, that’s referred to on the Stanhoe website
With respect, Jeff, I don’t think so. I was most impressed with your identification of that incident, but it was near Cantley, on the wrong side of Norfolk. This must be a different incident.
Will: thank you for your continuing encouragement, but the USAF records don’t look good. Lots of P-51 MACs and KMACs, lots of pairs with the same date/same airfield, lots in East Anglia but nothing that looks right for north Norfolk. (The only get-out could be if the AAIR record showed the home airfield and not the crash location, which I’m sure is not impossible.)
So I’m thinking RAF Mustangs. Are there any good web sources for RAF losses? So far I have not found anything.
Thanks very much for the tip. Evidently the search by aircraft type doesn’t work well, so I have resorted to the monthly lists.
For 1943 there are 16 P-51 accidents, of which no mid-air collisions and no likely-looking locations.
For 1944 and 1945, starting with all accidents overseas (16,512) I have narrowed it successively to:
• P-51 (2,409)
• P-51 in England (1,319)
• P51, England, mid-air collision (95). Horrifyingly many.
Many of those are listed as pairs on the same day. No obvious location matches, but as you say, plenty in East Anglia. Oh for a date!
Thank you Will. I can understand the difficulty. I think I’d looked at AAIR previously without success. It is a very impressive database that allowed me to semi-confirm another story about several B-17s going off the runway at RAF Docking (see my original link above).
But searching AAIR for “P-51” (and I don’t think my informant would be wrong about the aircraft type) it seems Mr Fuller has no record of any P-51 crashing in England during the war years.
So could we be looking at RAF aircraft, as I assume the two Cantley P-51s were?
Doesn’t sound as if this one was straight and level. From my link above:
“There was a big bang and the planes seemed to break up, with one large piece diving to earth leaving a smoke trail. There was also a wing spinning down on fire.”
and:
“Bill had covered the dead pilot, who had fallen right in the corner of the field. The plane itself was further out in the field. It was deeply buried in the ground, sticking up at a roughly 30-degree angle with only part of the engine showing. There were no wings or tailplane to be seen.”
Now can anyone give me a date, nationality, squadron and pilots’ names? I was hugely impressed with the 2010 discussion on the P-51 collision near Cantley.
Thank you Alan. I don’t think this would be an exercise in deep digging, simply in pinpointing the spot if possible. Arthur says he never found any wreckage while ploughing, and I’m interested to know whether you think there would be small bits on or very near the surface.
I want to show proper respect to the dead pilot, but in the circumstances I think that could well be done by locating the site and making his story more widely known in the village (I live a mile up the road).