nstead of signing up for new F-16 they want accelerated delivery of previous one.

What does that even mean?!

An EU unofficial embargo of Iraq! WOW! That is handy! Means you don’t actually have to give any evidence for the tripe that you are typing!

BAE Systems and Dassault won’t touch Iraq because of the unofficial arms embargo?! Quick someone had better tell BAE Systems that so they can stop the recent $31.8 million dollar deal for M88A2 tank recovery vehicles for the Iraqi army! Better also tell the Dassault sales department to stop trying to sell refurbished Mirage F1 to the Iraqi airforce as well! Actually Eurocopter a European company owned by EADS and based in France has recently sold 24 EC635 helicopters to Iraq so hardly a sign of a European embargo really! Here is a picture of one of the French/German made helicopters in testing:

Rather inconvenient for your European embargo theory isn’t it!

The Yak-130 is wonderful indeed, you don’t allow us to forget that do you! Doesn’t change the fact that you are a fantasist who is more interested in making up stuff then actually debating things in a reasonable way.

The L-159 is a more then adequate lead in fighter trainer for the F-16 Iraq is purchasing JSR, again you are spinning your fantasy ideas as fact! Considering the L-159 is being used as a LIFT for the J39 Gripen I think you are yet again typing BS!

As for the report you linked to, Bolivia wanted to buy some surplus L-159 ALCA and America invoked it’s ITAR waver as they don’t want to export American defence equipment/components to a close ally of Venezuela. In respect of the L-159 export to Iraq America has no reason to use its ITAR waver when they themselves are exporting defence articles to Iraq.

As for direct profit from the sale of the L-159 to Iraq, you are right that the initial profit will be relatively small but that isn’t where the money is made! Through life support for a jet that might well be in service for the next twenty to thirty years with possible follow on orders as well will be lucrative.

As for the Hawk or M346 have you any evidence that Alenia or BAE Systems had not proposed them to the Iraqi Air Force?

You also seem to be operating under the fantasy that the order will be blocked by pressure from Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE. Have any of those countries actually expressed any complaints about Iraqi defence procurement? Do you have evidence of such or is it again another of your made up ideas? The only gulf state I know of that has expressed disquiet at recent Iraqi defence procurement is Kuwait for obvious reasons and they are not big enough players to dent Iraqi defence procurement.

M-88 : 700 mm diameter
EJ-200 : 800 mm diameter
F414 : 900 mm diameter

Interesting challenge 😉

To a degree I think that is true mack8, I see Iraq wanting to avoid having all their defence eggs in one basket. I also see Realpolitik playing a part as well, spreading defence procurement around builds up good will to the new Iraqi government from different spheres of influence.

No you do not need to explain anything again as what you have written has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND! Again you are bringing up unrelated matters because you don’t like the fact that people are not patting you on the back and saying how right you are!

If you have nothing sensible to contribute about a debate on how AERO Vodochody plan to service this contract then go and do something different but your recent comment is borderline troll behaviour!

What does UK relations with Saudi Arabia have to do with this contract between a Czech company and Iraq?! NOTHING!

What do Lockheed Martin F16 deliveries have to do with this contract?! NOTHING!

What do you know about the Czech economy or its relations with other Western nations?! CLEARLY NOTHING!

Now if you want to have a thread about how great Russia is and how Russian defence products are the answer to all procurement problems then go ahead but stop poisoning perfectly decent threads!

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u still need more explaination.

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Well these KPP do draw out some interesting aspects to this contest. Firstly the off the shelf decision is interesting, it certainly stops Boeing in their tracks unless they protest it which I wouldn’t put pass them. On the other hand only the T-50 meets the raw performance requirements of the KPP meaning BAE Systems and Alenia will have to make some significant changes to their airframes especially the former.

The catch Lockheed Martin and KAI have is the concern within certain circles of a Lockmart monopoly in fast jet production, also going back to the KPP the system as a whole must offer significant ground and air based sythetic training facilities something that they lack experience in vs Alenia and BAE Systems. Actually I would guess BAE Systems have more experience in that area then all the others put together. Also what is the hour by hour running cost of the F404 powered T-50 vs the other competitors…basically how much fuel does it burn! Something I get the vibe is rather important to the USAF going on the KPP.

Alenia probably have the least work adapting their design to KPP after the T-50 and know more about training aircraft and all that is involved but they are bidding a twin engine design with all the associated costs and they are going up against BAE Systems who have a more established US base after Lockmart.

BAE Systems if they want the chance to win this will need to do a serious update of the Hawk to meet KPP. Then again I think this is an opportunity! Time to develop a Super Hawk! New materials and structures in the fuselage and wing benefiting from recent developments. FBW and the latest avionics developed from that already fitted to the latest Hawks. US unique features like the boom receptacle. Finally a new engine preferably of American origin (OK more then likely a GE F404 variant) but built into a common mount to allow the installation of the non afterburning EJ200 that has been talked about for a future Hawk variant. That way it could even find its way into future UK service when the Hawk T.1 give up the ghost…plus a nice new mount for the Reds! Apparently BAE Systems is gunning for this order post BAE/EADS merger debacle!

As for the Gripen trainer, put me in the slightly sceptical camp. They would need a good partner and frankly even stripped down it would be a lot of airframe for a trainer contract.

Of course the only solution in JSR land is the Yak-130 despite at this stage no stated interest from their government or airforce!

Where is your evidence that some Boeing avionics in the L-159 jeopardises US/Saudi defence relations or Boeings market into Saudi Arabia? Considering Boeing has just signed a huge multi billion dollar deal with Saudi Arabia I somehow doubt it.

Kuwait has expressed some disgruntlement at Iraqi defence purchases certainly but your interpretation of events is again driven by your desire to paint Russia and what it sells as the solution to all problems.

Indeed Swerve! In the end the Saudis wanted to set up a line to assemble CKD Typhoon! This was going to be done by a Saudi company and it is a pretty damning example of the lack of local skilled workers that they couldn’t even do that for CKD Typhoons!

BAE Systems clearly guessed that this was going to happen as they were able to switch production back to the UK very quickly.

But this has nothing to do with the Dassault Rafale and all to do with JSR yet again trying to compare unrelated matters to somehow defend Russian honour!