FedaykinWell at this point in time we have no concrete information about what happened so your corrections Nicolas10 are a bit premature at this point.
You seem dead certain that there is a nasty NATO conspiracy to attack Syria, so far we have had no evidence for that…actually we have had evidence for quite the reverse. Major NATO members have been at pains to point out that they don’t want to engage Syria and the security council of the UN are pretty much deadlocked on the matter even with evidence of rather violent attacks on civilians (and UN monitors). I would say that Syria knows that the UN and NATO have no stomach for another military intervention also China and Russia appear to be prepared to veto any suggestion of a resolution along those lines.
As for article 5 the fact is Turkey doesn’t have to invoke it and appears to not want to escalate the crisis as it stands. If Syria pushes again then I think there might be punitive action by Turkey alone but at this point it looks unlikely.
FedaykinIf they did it wasn’t off the Russians.
FedaykinHere’s another image … and an estimation on its length !
I have to agree Deino, for photo analysis sticking it in a carpark with marked spaces and surrounded by vehicles of known size like that Audi is a boon in working out its size.
I also agree with Pinko, by in large Photoshopping has become less usual amongst Chinese types in recent years.
FedaykinI think Austrians were the only one who managed to intercept F-117.
It was shadowed by Hercules, however they were not deceived.
Well on consideration and reviewing various events I agree the L159 ALCA or Hawk 200 don’t have the ponies under the bonnet to do the job properly in their tight airspace.
As for the F-117 intercept there was nothing magic about it, the USAF had placed a flight plan with the Austrians for an overflight by a KC-10. When the Austrians sent up some Drakens to have a look they found the USAF were trying to sneak some F-117 through with the tanker.
Some info about it on ACIG:
FedaykinThe only fighter to ever see any service in a pure VTOL form was the Yak 38 and it was limited in range, payload and considered a death trap by its crews.
The Harrier and F35B both use short take of for launch and can recover vertically. Even then operating from land bases Harrier would favour a rolling landing and the UK want to use SRVL to enhance bring back for Lightning on the QE class.
FedaykinErm right Chaffers?! You do realise how massive the gun system on the Zumwalt is to deliver a 155mm projectile! Even if we used a stripped out Astute as you are suggesting we wouldn’t be able to fit this single gun tube. Even if we could somehow shoehorn in the gun we would be left with a lousy Submarine unable to do any task well. The UK doesn’t need a patrol submarine and nobody has done NGFS from a Submarine since WW2 for good reason…it usually ends up bad for the submarine! A submarine doing NGFS has to give up its main advantage in the littoral…STEALTH. So in your scenario it comes up to periscope depth sticks up an antenna to await instructions then lobs off a few rounds at a target inshore. Well the crew had better hope and pray that there are no ASW aircraft or corvette/frigates nearby as they would be dead meat pretty rapidly! Anyhow any NGFS usually has to be for a sustained period meaning the submarine has to stay shallow for a sustained period to do anything worthwhile. You also forget that the Submarine will need to carry significant amounts of shells, again where is the space. Also say a shell explodes as it exits the gun tube, well now your submarine is stuck on the surface as it will be severely damaged and unlikely able to dive.
If NGFS is needed its usually because you are trying to coerce somebody on shore like in the recent Libya action or you are supporting the Amphibs. If it coercion you want the enemy to know you are there and if it is an amphibious operation the enemy are darn well going to know you are there so you are going to want your frigates and destroyers up to provide goalkeeper protection for the amphibs. If the frigates are forward with the amphibs then they can do NGFS.
Now I understand you have put together a pet theory and are eagerly trying to defend it but the concept of diesel subs with guns was proven to be flawed sixty+ years ago (even earlier actually going on the events of WW1). In later years it was only ever done in situations where you had nobody who could shoot back.
FedaykinThe German Typhoon are in a poverty spec, they lack several systems that are fitted to British Typhoons. Then again Italian and Spanish Typhoon also lack some of the UK fit.
Then again the Austrian Typhoon lack virtually everything that makes it worth buying the aircraft in the first place. They lack DASS and the software to allow them to fire AMRAAM making them a WVR fighter only! Also they specified features that would enhance its ground attack capabilities only to have those features removed prior to delivery as a cost saving exercise. Now I understand the argument that the small size of their airspace makes a BVR missile unnecessary but the Typhoon is an expensive twin engine fighter designed to excel at BVR combat. After they had the specification reduced to what it is now frankly the CAC J7 could meet their needs at a fraction of the cost. Actually looking at the size of their airspace the surplus L159 ALCA of the Czech air force might well of been perfect for them.
FedaykinIndeed and it is needed as soon as possible Wanshan.
FedaykinWell the first question is why would the US DOD be interested in a water bomber? The US park service maybe? Not the US DOD, if they did want one they are more likely to go to Bombardier of Canada and purchase the CL415.
My guess this is a Russian reporter or blogger getting confused over a limited press release. Apparently the BE200 is getting closer to FAA certification, in the bloggers/journos mind that might of got twisted from possible FAA certification to possible US DOD sale.
Its a none story, the only defence articles purchased by the US from Russia in recent years is the Kh-31A missile for the USN, Mi17 helicopters mainly to be gifted to other nations and some small arms again for gifting to allied nations.
FedaykinWell that nice and constructive Bluewings…tell you what I will help out with a more appropriate version for this thread:
In a cannon dogfight , it seems that the F-22 might defeat the Rafale , the F-22 might defeat Typhoon, the Rafale might defeat the Typhoon and Typhoon might defeat the F22 and Rafale.
Also:
All posters who are not French, don’t let Bluewings get on your nerves for no good reason. 😉
In the end why does every thread about Typhoon have to become a pissing contest with Rafale with inevitable childish comments. Just dragging out the old pish about ATLC because somebody posts a vaguely positive comment about Typhoon in an exercise in the US with the F22 is boorish.
FedaykinWell the issue with ATLC is the gross misrepresentation of what the exercise was for and the French airforce doing unseemly press conferences with a rather selective interpretation of what happened. The RAF squadron involved and Typhoon consortium were spitting tacks. The Rafales were a training asset performing agreed flight profiles, it was not a pistols at dawn fight to the death as portrayed by the French. To quote somebody from inside industry at the time:
“The stories about the Rafale vs Typhoon are an unjustified and unfair representation of what actually occurred.
In the exercise sorties Typhoons and Rafales worked together on the same team! There were red Typhoon/Rafale combos and blue Typhoon/Rafale combos.
During the CT (continuation training) sorties outside ATLC both Typhoon and Rafale squadrons were conducting work-up sorties for their junior pilots and yes – mistakes were made on both sides where some results like those quoted did occur (but both for and against Rafale) – however to make a big deal about training results would be unfair and entirely unrepresentative.”
You might not like Jackonico or is point of view or focus on the events of that training exercise but the behaviour of the French Air Force representatives were unseemly.
FedaykinWell some of the panels look dated but they also look tidy and functional.
If they are managing the boilers and steam turbines changing them out for whizzy digital panels just for the sake of it appears to be a needless waste if they do the job. Also wide shots show modern digital panels integrated in to the engineering spaces so the Indians have clearly specified a hybrid solution.
FedaykinWell patronising certainly…thanks for that Nic:mad:
And what does that have to do with the price of fish? TSR2 was a bungled procurement, politics played a part in its demise but it is certainly not the whole story. What I choose as a signature is my business, don’t presume my abilities to understand the subject at hand which is your rather strange theories around British procurement of the F35…if you can only resort to personal insults clearly you don’t have a strong case do you.
So rather then patronising me can you explain the details of your grand conspiracy?! No? Oh well C’est la vie…
FedaykinWell if Typhoon or Rafale get to the merge their chances go up significantly as it stands at the moment. They both have a far better short range AAM integrated at the moment. MICA-IR and IRIS-T have a better engagement envelope and resistance to countermeasures then the AIM-9M integrated on the F22. Further from that Typhoon is getting a HMD in some airforces.
FedaykinWell she has a rather wet deck which is pretty much to do with her freeboard, as for performance certainly propulsion plays an important part but hull design is an issue as well.
As I said at this point it isn’t a criticism, I am not an expert and so far we have only seen Vikramaditya slowly being tugged out on a very calm day. Going on how the kuznetsov performs which is based on a similar hull design it will be interesting to see how the Vikramaditya gets along.
Just curious speculation from somebody who is excited to see this ship go into sea trials nothing more.
I see Obi Wan Russell is taking a look and he is somebody who is lightyears ahead of me when it comes to understading of carrier operations … I am totally happy with him poo-pooing my observations.
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