FedaykinJSR what is the obsession with the spine of the Mig-29SMT?! I hate to break it to you but the reason a spine was installed on the Mig-29 was due to its woeful internal volume! The JH-7A is a larger aircraft so it doesn’t require to have work around fixes like a spine on the fuselage. You seem to be operating under the strange illusion that a strike aircraft needs a fuselage spine to make it into a decent strike aircraft. Further from that widly spaced engines is just one aerodynamic solution not a prerequiste for a strike fighter.
The wing on the JH-7/A is perfectly suitable for an aircraft designed for low level penetration strike. It is interestingly very similar to the TSR2 wing configuration which was chosen as it allowed a smooth ride at low level at a fairly high speed. You will notice it is a similar configuration to the Jaguar and Mitsubishi F-1 both aircraft designed for penetration strike.
The Mig-29SMT is perfectly fine aircraft and pointing out the the JH-7/A can carry more further is not a criticism of the Russian type just an expression of how they are different design solutions to different problems. The Mig-29SMT is meant to be a multi role fighter whilst the JH-7/A is a more narrowly defined strike bomber.
FedaykinJSR what do you actually know about the Rolls Royce Spey or the WS-9 derivative? Because you are making some rather sweeping statements about its lack of performance.
At low to medium altitude the Spey is a well performing engine, it has a very good thrust augmentation ratio and low sfc.
The non reheated Bucaneer was pretty much impossible to catch at Red flag and the British Spey Phantom could easily outrun the J79 variant at low to medium altitude.
The Spey is arguably one of the best turbofans to come out of Rolls Royce, powering many aircraft and still in service today. The Chinese WS-9 has even more thrust then the Spey it was derived from.
FedaykinFrankly I am confused why you are trying to compare the JH-7A to the Mig-29SMT. The JH-7A has a greater range and payload capability then the Mig-29SMT and you don’t need to go to Wikipedia to find that out. Actually the JH-7A has a max takeoff weight of 28,475kg vs 18,000kg of the Mig-29SMT.
Also I would take the Spey202/WS-9 over the inefficiant leaky RD-33 any day of the week.
FedaykinA few years back there was an excellent documentary called “Vulcans, Victors and Cuba” made for Discovery Europe. In that they reveal that a year before the Cuban missile crisis the V-bomber force had no problem penetrating American air defences during a large exercise…apparently they caused merry havoc with the Americans with all the jamming they chucked out:diablo:
Alas nobody has posted it yet on Youtube but here is a short clip from the production company:
http://rightanglefilms.co.uk/rightanglefilms.co.uk/Vulcans,_Victors_&_Cuba_2.html
The last part of the documentary is a really exciting representation of a strike on Russia using footage of the Vulcans and Victors.
FedaykinWhy AF should consider purchasing new fighters?
Which country to defend ?
We can see a bunch of special units performing exercises in front of the children in central Serbia in time when south territory is about to be taken away without fight.
Period
Interesting Bell 212 of Ministry of Internal Affairs, the also have Bell 206, a single S-76 and some Gazelle.
FedaykinYeah I have heard looking beyind the hype that the J79 caused various CoG issues with the Mirage airframe. The airframe had to be shortened , made fatter, a titanium heat shield installed and an air intake added to the fin.
I think the ATAR 9K50 installed in the Atlas Cheetah (effectively a Kfir) was a happier upgrade on the whole but the Israeli’s were limited in choice at the time.
One curious thing about the Kfir development is the Rolls Royce Spey was also examined as an option but the J79 got it in the end due to commonality with Israeli Phantom.
Fedaykin[QUOTE=Trident;1813142]It may be because, unlike the F-15E, F/A-18E and Su-30MK it is unable to fight its way out of a wet paper bag.QUOTE]
Respectfully Trident but why do you draw that conclusion? Is there any hard evidence that it is “unable to fight its way out of a wet paper bag”.
Looking at what is installed on and carried by the latest JH-7A variant I am hard pressed to see how it would fair particularly badly operating as a part of a mixed strike package. The F-15E and F/A-18E have both performed well in combat but that is partially due to force enablers like dedicated jammers and AWACS. I can’t really comment on the Su-30MK but in respect of China they are busy inducting all the force multipliers and enablers that we are familiar with in the West.
We agree that like the Tornado it will perform its primary naval and land penetration strike capability perfectly well so as far as I see its good money spent by China.
Fedaykindiscount JH-7s, because that’s chinese designed and it isn’t worth anything.
I really do wonder why people hate on the JH-7 so much? The Chinese appear to be happy with it. Both the Air Force and Naval Air arm are inducting the latest JH-7A.
Is it because people can’t get past the Spey derived engines or fairly conventional airframe? It was designed in CATIA and was at the time the best their industry was capable of building. With continuous modernisation it will be serious threat in the South China Seas.
It is FBW, has GPS/inertial nav attack system, glass LCD cockpit and has a modern x band pulse doppler radar incorporating a terrain following capability.
It carrys the latest Chinese precision munitions from anti shipmissiles to LGB and Anti radar missiles. It has acceptable range especially with air to air refueling.
Yet people dismiss it as utterly worthless, when a bit of research shows the Chinese think otherwise. Is it as capable as a Su30MKK or the new J11B, probably not…but is it useful to China? Most certainly! They can pump it out in high numbers no strings attached and in its primary anti shipping/penetration strike roles more then capable.
FedaykinThanks Levsha thats it, as the article says it really was a no brainer for China. With the Western upgrade programs closed off after Tianamen Square, a clearly obsolete fleet and the Russians desperate for hard currency it was a good deal. The injection of new technology to look at and the eventual deal to build CKD Su-27 it has worked out well.
Twenty years is not a bad service duration for a fighter these days, probably could of been extended beyond that with a SLEP but those parts especially the engines are useful for the remaining fleet and also to help cover the WS-10 backlog that hampered J11B induction.
FedaykinHold it sisters!:)
I posted a interesting link/source some threads back here about PLAAF scuttling many Su-27SK jets.. this was years ago, perhaps in 2008/2009.
So how many are PLAAF keeping IN service?
Yeah I’m sure I saw a picture on China Defence Blog of the first retired PLAAF Su-27SK. I think it was being towed somewhere after being gutted for parts, whilst I have a hunch the airframe probably had hours left on it and even could of had more added with a SLEP my gut feeling is they wanted the parts especially the engines.
If they can really ramp up J11 production I wonder how long the Su-27SK will remain in Chinese Air Force Service (the PLAAF is no more now guys). Of course there are still plenty of J7 and J8 that need replacing as well.
FedaykinWell you live and learn, thanks googeler.
FedaykinI can’t tell what’s wrong with her legs…. bad tan, molting, hair? 😉
I agree! I much prefer the qualities of Miss Albania there or should I say the future Mrs Fedaykin:diablo:
Fedaykinnow abut thae topic.given the small serbian economy it cant purcace fighter like rafale anf tuphoon that cost nearly 100 mln per piece.most likely will chose russian jets mig-29smt or mig-35.AFAIK russian will lent mony to serbia to buy russian arms
If Russia was going to loan Serbia money to buy Migs or Sukhois they would of done it by now. Frankly whats in it for Russia? Serbia isn’t exactly rich in resources Russia needs.
FedaykinWell they only have 4 Mig-29 and QRA is being maintained by 2 Mig-21. Actually Swerve has set me thinking,maybe they are better off getting more use out of the J-22. Its supersonic so it could be used in the QRA role with GCI. Purchase whats left of the Romanian IAR-93 spares and look to integrate an off the shelf IR missile. Not ideal but it can be entirely supported by their industry cheaply.
I am strongly of the opinion that Croatia won’t accept the German offer of surplus F4 Phantom, they would have to be insane to take on an obsolete expensive to run twin engine heavy fighter.
FedaykinWell the most important things needed by Serbia is helicopters, hence the recent induction of some refurbished Mi-17. I can see further helicopter procurement taking priority. After that they have six elderly An-26 (2 in storage) in service which I can see them needing to replace as well.
They are going to induct some new Lasta-95 which appears to be sensible to me. As for fast jets they are so far taking the sensible root and upgrading fifteen of their Soko G4, that would allow them to maintain a small cadre of jet qualified pilots.
In the future I suppose it depends on what Croatia does, at the moment the Croatians are messing about with their new fighter procurement. If Croatia actually gets round to moving forward with a purchase I can see more public pressure is Serbia to move forward with some limited replacement of the Mig-21 and 29.
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