Well I’m going to say it again but the JH-7 is apparently a pretty good piece of kit and certainly a real mud mover.
Whilst the airframe and engine are nothing exciting it has a decent warload and the later variants have the latest Chinese avionics by all accounts. For the Chinese its entirely home brewed (OK the engines are really Speys but they are entirely Chinese built now) without any recourse to external suppliers. It can also carry their latest smart munitions which is very useful.
In its primary role of penetration strike and anti shipping its certainly nothing to be sniffed at considering they can pump them out in high numbers.
Has the JH-7 ever been offered for export?
Thats what I was going to say…
J8 I think has been offered for export but no takers as far as I am aware. Frankly its too much of an aircraft for the tradditional Chinese customers in Africa and as for Iran they were never that happy with the J7 as well as being very happy with F14 they already have in service. The late model J8 with its half decent pulse doppler radar is certainly not that bad in the narrow role of long range interceptor but nothing to really shout about. In respect of Pakistan a large twin engine interceptor like that doesn’t really fit into their orbat.
As for the JH-7 well it has some of the most modern indiginous avionics in Chinese service and they appear to be still buying it so I would lean towards it not being totally available to export along with again it being again a bit too much of an aircraft for their traditional customers. Again Iran already has the Su24 and Pakistan is happier with smaller multirole single engine types.
But as I have already said I don’t think a small number of civil C5 could compete with the large number of AN-124 already operating in the outsize cargo sector.
The US DOD already charters AN-124 when they need extra capacity on short notice. There are more AN-124 (and the AN-225) out there operating in the civil market so they are going to be able to undercut a civil operated C5 fairly easily. I would argue it would cost more to lease a civil C5 unless the US DOD is prepared to subsidise the cargo operator which isn’t going to happen with defence cuts.
An-124 was made compliant quite a long time after manufacturer.
Also AMARC is called AMARG now its now known as the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group.
Considering how good AMARG is agetting value out of retired airframes I would think the USAF and DOD will be more interested in gutting the C5 in storage to keep the operating fleet alive.
I think the whole Iran aircraft carrier thing is more to do with a miss translation of an Iranian report. I get the impression they were talking about new destroyers that carry missiles capable of sinking a carrier but this mutated into “Iranian aircraft carrier”.
Iran has no need for an aircraft carrier whatsoever.
747-400 cargo conversion does much of what the operators want yet aircraft plus conversion will cost half the price of the C-5M on offer.
That will give you a newer better supported aircraft.
Problem is whilst the upgraded C-5M would be a fairly good competitor to the AN-124 any cargo liner that purchased the airframes would have to absorb the upgrade costs and then try and break into an outsized cargo market pretty much ruled by the AN-124/AN-225. Volgna Depna can easily get nasty and drop their prices making the whole process of adopting C-5M un-cost effective. It also has to be weighed against the cost of purchasing second hand Boeing 747 and cargo converting them or even purchasing new build C17.
The operators of the AN124 and lone AN-225 effectively got them for free so they are in the market at a huge advantage! Anybody trying to enter the outsize cargo market has to factor in the startup costs. In the end its a niche market well served by several aircraft including the AN124, AN125, 747 and A300 Beluga.
Ah nice to see some close by pubs Cockneyjock that fits in with my plans.
As I have mentioned before but I have been thinking of organising a QE class launch gathering for Key publishing forum members. It would be case of finding a suitable affordable hotel in the area and organising a minibus/bus to take us all to the official launch followed by a trip to a suitable pub (Cockneyjock you might have suggestions) to celebrate, drink and talk all things naval!
Of course we need our honorary Brit Liger30 along as well if he fancies the trip:D…oh and any other Key Pub forum subscribers as well!…even prepared to welcome any forum moderators:diablo:
Anyhow its too early for proper planning yet but I was thinking of setting up a planning thread closer to the date and maybe a Facebook group so people can register if they want to go or not. I would hope a few of us would want to attend such an event..;)
A few years to go but what do people think, I’m happy to do organisation work for said event but only if there is interest.
Sadly true, also a very difficult situation for BAE Systems. India is a huge market for the company so they have to be sensitive to Indian ego’s over the matter. The customer complaining about availability due to lack of spares they should of purchased then further complaining about delayed deliveries due to parts being taken from CKD kits to repair aircraft already in service would be politically challenging! Clearly BAE Systems have been trying to avoid an official argument but if true HAL’s behaviour of kicking out BAE staff when the problem was pointed out is hardly constructive.
Then again many a service the RAF included has made the mistake of believing parts mtbo figures during procurement and under buying spares.
Well JP-8 is similar to civilian Jet A-1 so I would think the RAF wouldn’t have too much trouble refueling in India. As for the Indian airforce I presume with prior planning they could order fuel of the correct grade to be available from UK suppliers whilst operating in Britain.
I wonder why IAF Su-30MKI’s didn’t use western tanking assets when they came over for Exercise Indradanush II – they brought 2 X Il-78 tankers and two Il-76 support aircraft.
OK – procedures are probably different – but it surely would have been a great training oportunity??
The reason why Indian fighters didn’t tank off RAF refueling assets was due to them using a different grade of fuel. The RAF uses JP-8 DEF STAN 91-87 AVTUR/FSII (formerly DERD 2453). NATO Code F-34. I’m not sure what grade India uses but its one more suited to the hot, high and humid conditions. The fuel injectors in Indian jet engines are configured for their fuel grade, whilst I’m sure you could probably fuel them with JP-8 the engines won’t run as well and it would also involve expensive maintenance and fuel tank draining after the event.
Curiously the USN suffers the same problem when their jets take on fuel from USAF tankers carrying JP-8 as they use JP-5 with its higher flashpoint characteristics on their carriers.
Australian involvement in AMCA won’t happen IMHO because there is some lack of trust between Australia and India for now and normally two countries will have a tested and reliable relationship in order for them to go for a project like this, jointly. And as some posters have pointed out that Australia has already invested in F35 and they will get it much sooner than AMCA. AMCA will only arrive after 2025+. And no matter what Mr. Kopp and others say F-35 will be a capable machine and it will serve RAAF well which is unlikely to go into any conflict in foreseeable future without the blessings of USA.
The reason Australia wouldn’t go for AMCA is nothing to do with any kind of lack of trust between Australia or India, the fact is the concept wouldn’t of even crossed the minds of the Australian MoD’s procurement people. Australia is only interested in purchasing from North American and Northern European defence contractors and has actively aligned itself over the last few years American defence procurement strategy to allow greater interoperability with US and NATO armed forces.
As you rightly point out the F35 is regarded as the future of the Australian airforce I do not see them going to India for a new fighter type!
Main issue with UPAZ is the receiving aircraft needs an illumination light for night refueling as the basket isn’t fitted with lights like western ones.
But I am inclined to think that in theory western and Russian probes are compatible with UPAZ without change…why reinvent the wheel.
If China has the quality sorted AZMAT could do very well on the export market. Fairly powerful unit for her size, under land based air cover the CIWS are adequate and her offensive missile fit is fairly potent.
Indian MKI use a Cobham 754 series buddy pod similar to that used by USN Super Hornets.
http://www.cobham.com/media/33361/cob_m04_754_datasheet_uk_fa.pdf